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The Truth about the Trade Deadline E-mail
Written by Mike Reynolds   
Wednesday, 03 February 2010 09:00

Have you ever seen the movie Sliding Doors?I haven't, but I hear it's decent (although Paltrow's shining performance was her breakout minor role as a teenage Wendy in 1992's Hook. Trust me, she is in the movie. I promise/Rufio.). From what I understand, the basic premise of the movie outlines the simple choices we make and how they affect the larger outcomes. The film is split into two parts, and shows us what would happen in the main character's life based on whether she catches a train or not, presenting both outcomes to the viewer. A great idea for a movie. I'd like to see a non-chick flick version. So, aside from tears, boredom and frustration, what does a forgotten chick flick possibly have to do with the Wolves?

February has arrived. For the past several years, this has been the outlier in the season-long "Fan Interest Bell Curve." For just a three week period we can hope the Wolves will make a significant splash in the trade market. A splash that would end our futile attempt to develop any more excuses for a team that, quite frankly, has little to no championship potential without significant and dramatic personnel changes. There is little to discuss from a game recap perspective. Instead, Wolvesdom starts dreaming up ludicrous trade scenarios, and starts the draft talk nearly 150 days before it transpires. Rinse.Wash. Repeat. Jump off a Bridge.

Over the next three weeks, which could be one of the most pivotal times in franchise history, Kahn and Kahmpany have a few choices to make. Their choices will set the tone for the next 5-7 years. Kahn can either A) Stand pat and keep our expiring contracts, maybe make a minor-to-moderate deal, and hope for the best in what could be an extremely disappointing NBA Free Agent class (more on this later) or B) Cash in on over $20 million in expirings and draft picks and shoot for the moon in mid-February. There are only two choices, and the decision is much more difficult and misleading than it seems. But first, we need to all come to terms with 9 "simple" realities. I'll break it down, along with why i think making a big trade may be a mistake, below the fold.

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1. The goal is to win a championship.

  • In considering trade scenarios, ask yourself if the returns could put the Wolves at a championship level. Will we be saddled with a terrible contract that prevents us from making additional moves, and will the player perform beyond a high scoring average? Does a quality acquisition via trade have enough years of star play to actually be worthwhile long term?

2. Al Jefferson, Kevin Love, and Jonny Flynn are not franchise players

  • Outlandish prediction (I am currently 0/10 on outlandish predictions this season, my first being a pre-season slam of Brandon Jennings): The three will combine for 3-4 All-Star appearances. Al Jefferson will make the team next year (on or off the Wolves), and maybe twice more. Flynn and Love might make it once each. This is not to discredit their impact at all, but I see Flynn as an Aaron Brooks-level PG, and Love as a Brad Miller-type player at his peak. This is not a bad thing. It is a-ok if Kahn can build a team around guys who provide enough intangibles to win games versus a monster scorer (an approach that fails 8 times out of 10 if we are talking championship-level here. LeBron and Kobe are exceptions, but they provide much more). The team has to be built carefully. Flynn and Love have the potential to be game-changing X-factors who can put up monster games once every few weeks. But neither are face-of-the-franchise players.
  • Al is on the same level as Iggy (although Iggy is more of an all-around, athletic swingman), Kevin Martin and Monta Ellis as big-time scorers who do little in leading their respective teams in the win column. Consider Kobe Bryant. What makes Kobe, Kobe? Besides being named after an animal carcass and being a douchebag, is it his scoring average, or is it his ability to take over games in clutch situations and carry his team on his back? Can Al Jefferson or Kevin Martin do that? Can Kevin Love? No, but Martin can hit open jumpers and Al has excellent post moves when the opposing D is lacking intensity in the first 40 minutes. Love can grab key rebounds and spread the floor, and Flynn can flail into the lane and turn it over while failing to draw the foul. Again, intangibles.

3. The team isn't "young"

  • Who here is sick of hearing the "we're still young" excuse? We get that Jonny Flynn and Kevin Love are young, but look at some of our key rotation players: Al Jefferson is 25 (and in his 6th season), Ryan Gomes is 27, Damien Wilkins is 30, Brian Cardinal is 32, Ryan Hollins is 25, Sasha Pavlovic is 26, Mark Blount is 34 and Sid Hartman is 263. That amounts to an average age of 58 years old. Is age really the issue here? Or does it come down to lack of talent? This is a great interlude to the next point:
4. No one on this team should be untouchable.
  • Look, in dissecting points 1 and 2, do you honestly see anyone on our roster as the leader of a championship team? If the goal here is to rise to a championship-level roster, we need to prepare ourselves for some risky moves. If the right deal comes along for anyone on the roster (with the exception of Rubio, who has the potential to be transformational, not to mention a global icon, another huge factor here) in which the Wolves receive quality, proven pieces without bad contracts who are also from winning environments, you do it. However, let's stop drooling over guys who average 15-20 points per game, yet their teams have a double-digit % chance of winning the draft lottery because:
5. PPG is an overrated stat.
  • Common theme starting here. Just because a given player averages 20 points per game, that does not necessarily make him a leader on a championship-level team. Can this player: hit a big shot in crunch time? Exhibit positive leadership qualities? Demonstrate good shot selection? Put up equal effort on the defensive end? Share the ball and make his teammates better? Create his own shot if the offensive flow is off? Be willing to take a dip in scoring for the betterment of the team? Put up those numbers in a winning environment in a 5 man game? Not eat up 40% of a payroll? Put up wins no matter which team he plays for? Again, the importance of intangibles. We are warming up to the trade talk here:
6. 5 Losers does not make a winner, especially when trading Al.
  • With the exception of the Celtics' offseason in 2007, I do not recall a team acquiring "stars" from losing teams and creating a championship contender. It simply doesn't work. There are too many factors involved here, and they start and end with the questions outlined in the last point. However, trading Jefferson for a comparable player such as Martin, Iggy, Granger etc. would be the definition of a lateral move. Any of those players likely produce the same number of wins in the end for the Wolves.
  • It's Danny Granger's scoring average that, for whatever reason, leads us to believe he would score in wake of Jefferson and immediately make this team better. I fail to understand why that would happen. He has somewhat decent role players in Indy and his team is in the dreadful 10-12 draft range every year, which is the equivalent to NBA hell. Trust me, it's much better to be the Wolves than the Pacers. Consider this: what if Granger averaged 16.5 points per game versus 22, but grabbed 7.0 rebounds vs 5.6 per game, threw 4 assists versus 2.7, averaged 1.5 blocks as opposed to .9, shot 45% as opposed to a quite low 40%, and shot 39% from 3pt territory, a 5% improvement? I'll bet the favortisim of an Al for Granger trade drops through the floor. But, strangely, in the end, which overall stat line is actually more appealing when you really boil down to it? The more balanced version? Probably. And that is why scoring stats can be so misleading. It's just over a 5 point decrease in scoring that is quickly made up by a respectable shooting % and an increase in assists and rebounds. BTW, ironically, the "better" statline here is very smiilar to Iggy's. Would you trade Al for Iggy? Questions....
  • Some could argue that a scoring wing is simply the final piece to the offense. Sure, fair point, but if the price is Jefferson, we once again have no player on the roster who can create their own shot in the post with consistency, something we all likely would take for granted. Thus, we would spend the next 10 years trying to find that "post scorer." The last piece. Haven't the Bulls been trying to do this since 2002? Fringe playoff team with a coach who looks like Jesus Christ? Yep, that's the Bulls!
  • That is not to say you don't carefully consider a trade for Andre Iguodala if we only have to give up mediocre draft picks and expiring contracts. Not doing so would be silly. But the odds of that happening are as slim as Stojko Vrankovic having a highly-publicized affair with Lady GaGa. So we are looking at about 38% odds. Leading to the next point:
7. Teams will not give away players.
  • Consider the Iguodala talk. No way would Philadelphia trade him to the Wolves for expiring contracts alone. Same goes for Sacramento, Golden State or Memphis. In order to acquire another team's first or second best player, you have to give up a little more than expiring contracts alone. Consider the other team's goal. If you are rebuilding, young talent and draft picks are a must. Even in the Pau Gasol trade, Memphis received underrated Marc Gasol, Javaris Crittenton (considered a worthwhile prospect at the time), a large expiring deal and 2 first round picks from the Lakers. It was considered one of the most lopsided trades of the last 20 years. With that said, I'm sure Philadelphia's GM is lying awake at night in heat, dreaming of these wonderful offers of Cardinal, Blount and Brewer for Iguodala and Samuel Dalembert.
  • Also consider a hypothetical trade of Cardinal, Sessions and 2 first round picks for Kevin Martin. Does a lineup up Flynn, Martin, Brewer, Love, Jefferson win us a championship? Absolutely not. We would still have a chance to add John Wall and more free agents with cap space though, right? Oh wait, wrong:
8a. Trading Expirings hurts our draft position.
  • If it didn't, the player(s) acquired for expirings sure as hell were not worth trading for.  I will admit the lineup suggested above would no doubt skyrocket us into the 24-win pantheon. We would be marginally better for the next 5 years, maybe scratching the playoffs here and there. But in doing so we could miss our chance at a truly transformational player in John Wall or Evan Turner.  Oh we would get a nice player in the 6-9 range (remember we owe our pick to the Clippers, too!) and remain in contract/mediocrity hell for 3 years, but hey, it's 40-50 games of Kevin Martin per season.
  • I do want to say I am NOT advocating doing things to "improve" our draft position (i.e tanking). But simply and boldly put, at this stage in the game the best possible thing to do for this franchise is secure a top choice in this draft. Consider every contending team, with the exception of Boston. All were built by scouting and drafting quality players. Of course, key players were added via free agency and trade, but the core guy came from the draft.
  • Speaking of which, as of now the Wolves are a 5-game swing away from the 8th pick, and are currently playing good basketball. This could still happen without a trade! Isn't that a terrifying thought? Oh the trials and tribulations of following this team...

8b. Trading expirings means less cap space this summer and in the future.

  • Any NBA GM honestly thinking they have a chance at signing LeBron James or Dwyane Wade away from their current teams is off their rocker (including Donnie "fossil" Walsh). 2010 Free Agency is the most overhyped pile of steaming, Northern Minnesota cow pie since the selection of Darko Milicic. So, should the Wolves be in a position to sign a free agent, we will likely get a couple solid role players such as Travis Outlaw, Joel Przybilla and Will Bynum at best. Rudy Gay is a distant maybe.
  • I guess the concept is simple, but in case of retardation, if we acquire a vet by trading expiring money this month, we will have exhausted a significant amount of cap space by moving our expiring money for a longer term contract.
  • Long term implications exist as well. Do we want to saddle ourselves with huge deals from guys like Ellis and Iggy in lieu of the Collective Bargaining Agreement becoming the next Hiroshima experiment? Nope. And why would a Dalembert/Iggy trade be good for the long term health of our franchise again? Oh wait, that would suck. Especially considering the team they lead is shocking the NBA with an eye-popping 16 wins.
Whew. So with all of that said, it really puts the Wolves in a difficult situation. On one hand, the offseason may not yield a great free agent (unless we sign and trade for players; a reasonable alternative), but we could add some nice role players and also have a shot at a potential top-tier star in the draft.
On the other hand, to be fair, I DO understand the intrigue of compiling a competitive package for a swing-man like Iguodala and seeing if he meshes with Al and brings us to the playoffs. Plus, knowing our luck, we could end up at pick 4 and land overrated Derrick Favors. But how much more consistent losing can this fan base take? Wouldn't a Charlotte Bobcats-level fringe playoff team be a godsend? But is it worth potentially losing out on Wall or Turner? Maybe not. It also should be pointed out that $20 million in expiring deals at absolute max value is not something to just throw away. While an inactive trade deadline would no doubt cause a mass hysteria across Timberwolves message boards, as well a sure-fire collection of "I'm-never-watching-this-team-again-,-disabling-my-account-and-reactivating-it-ten-days-later-and-acting-like-nothing-ever-happened" 5th-grade tantrums, it really may be the best route to go in the long run. Here are two off-beat scenarios for the next few months:
Option A - Make a significant Trade
  • Let's shoot for the moon here and say Mark Blount, Ramon Sessions, the rights to Pekovic, and the Jazz first rounder for Monta Ellis. Ellis, coming from a losing team and being a me-first whiner like most of the guys at his level, brings us within the 6-8 draft range with his scoring.
  • Come draft day we draft DeMarcus Cousins at 8 and Devin Ebanks with the Charlotte pick.
  • Sign a backup PG such as Will Bynum or Luke Ridnour with our leftover cap space.
Lineup:
PG - Flynn, Bynum, Ellis
SG - Ellis, Brewer, Ellington
SF - Gomes, Ebanks
PF - Love, Cousins
C - Jefferson, Hollins

A nice team if you ask me, aside from the nightmarish locker room and lack of leadership. Does it compete for a championship? Absolutely not. Maybe an 8th seed or a bottom-half-of-the-bracket team for the next 5-7 years, after which the team is forced to rebuild once again comfortably in their new arena located in Boise, Idaho. You could apply this scenario to any available swing-man. Really.

Option B - No trade or minor trade

  • Not wanting to jeopardize our draft position, Kahn declines a trade for Kevin "The Glass Menagerie" Martin, instead opting for a trade of Ryan Gomes, Pecherov and the Rights to Pekovic to Golden State for Anthony Morrow and Speedy Claxton (I know, kind of a lot for us to give up, but I just really like Morrow, ok? Shoot me.). Morrow provides best-in-class 3 point shooting as a role player off the bench (Martin's greatest strength might I add), which doesn't jeopardize our draft position. Claxton arrives as an additional expiring deal.
  • Wolves finish 29th, win the #2 spot on the lottery and draft Evan Turner (you have to assume the Wolves won't win the lottery). The Wolves then pick up a mortified Greg Monroe who slips to 16, and Willie Warren at 21. Euros in the 2nd round. Warren is traded for a future pick to offset the loss of the Clipper pick in 2011. Wolves fans everywhere send a pre-Independence Day e-card to Marko Jaric in thanks.
  • With our cap space we still have, the Wolves make an obscene offer sheet to Rudy Gay. Memphis most likely matches, sending the Grizzlies into financial ruin, but hey, maybe not.
  • Assuming Memphis matches (thus saving the Wolves from what would likely be a nightmare, franchise-killing contract), we sign recently recovered Travis Outlaw to a very reasonable deal from Portland after every other top tier free agents re-signs with their current team. This causes what could potentially be one of the most lopsided seasons record-wise in 2010-2011 as rebuilding teams suffer with no talented personnel to add to the mix. Here is your lineup:
PG - Flynn, Sessions
SG - Turner, Morrow, Ellington
SF - Outlaw/MAYBE Gay, Brewer
PF - Love, Monroe
C - Jefferson, Hollins
A nice, balanced team. Still not championship caliber for the next few years, but certainly much better positioned long-term. No albatross contracts, no me-first Kindergartners, nothing but young talent that can grow for the next 10 years plus. And that's before Rubio comes over and before Al is traded for more cap space, more picks, and a defensive Center who also has a nice post touch. I mean, which situation is honestly more appealing? You HAVE to pick option B!
A knee-jerk trade at the deadline may be satisfactory for the time being and create some buzz, but for what? Mediocre draft positon and a 6th seed potential?. After all, isn't being in the 6-8 range in the draft like the worst, wheel-in-the-mud position to be in? We have been there for 5 years. Isn't a championship the goal? I just don't see our most realistic "big time" trade targets as championship-level guys. Do you, honestly?
And that is the story of the trade deadline.
Enough for now.


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written by SlimPickens, February 03, 2010
Nice!
Very good points. I think regardless of what we do, which is more than likely not making a trade before the deadline and probably justifiably so, we're gonna end up with a 5-8 pick. It'll happen because we're only getting (slightly) better, and our lottery luck is terrible.
So, assuming the Nets get the 2nd pick. Do we then trade Rubio for #2 (Turner)?
An interesting scenario to think about.

You're right-on for the most part in all of this. I think a lot of us don't see an Al-Love front court winning a championship as they detract from one another-not just because they play the same position either.
With that being said, if one were to be moved I'd prefer it to be Al. Hopefully, when and if that moment comes, Kahn will recognize it and make a wise choice.

Huh??
written by Jonah, February 03, 2010
Listen, I understand your frustration with this franchise (I'm assuming this article came from pure anger and rage). But none of this seems very logical. For you to think that Jefferson, Love and Flynn may only make 3-4 ASG appearances may be right but keep in mind they are on a losing team -- for now-- and lack the popularity other players have around the league. I agree with Flynn being an "Aaron Brooks" like player but what's wrong with that? Love has similar gameplay as Brad Miller but will exceed his production. Miller wasn't good until he was like 30 and Love is young. Monta Ellis is a joke. We do need a scorer but Ellis is on a bad team and isn't making things any better for them, unlike Kobe. Why would we want a gunslinger from a losing squad? Wouldn't that just continue our losing ways? We want a winner -- not just a scorer.

Your draft situations I must say aren't bad though. I like Cousins and Ebanks but we need a bigger justification as to WHY we would pick Cousins. Why take a lottery player to play on the bench behind a guy we drafted at the SAME POSITION only 2 yrs ago? 2 words for ya...Hassan Whiteside. Check him out. He will play back-up center for next season, then explode unto the scene when BIg Al is kaput as a bonafied defensive minded center with excellent physical attributes.

I will thank you for writing this though because now it gives me some incentive to compile the ultimate master plan involving the Wolves that will result in world domination!! Muahahahaha!
Awesome article, much props!!!
written by College Wolf, February 03, 2010
For any random passerbyers... tons more discussion about this article and the Wolves future here:

http://twolvesblog.com/forum/m...dline.html
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written by Mike R, February 03, 2010
Jonah - Thanks for your comments and for clearly skimming the article (what can I honestly expect?). The article is inspired by frustration with the idea that making a knee jerk trade is best long term. It just isn't.

I also blatantly said there is nothing wrong with Flynn being Aaron Brooks and Love being Brad Miller. Agreed, this is a good outcome.

As for Monta Ellis, I (again) suggest you re-read the article. I know its long but the entire POINT is how trading for a guy like Monta would be a bad move given the state of the 'chise and the league. I state this clearly about 10 times, including twice in the same paragraph of the trade proposal.

As far as Cousins...best player available. Drafting for need is what has hampered us in the past. Him or Aldrich, or Johnson if he slips. That's all. I didn't put much thought into that particular section. It was more meant to illustrate the fact we would get a tier 2 guy as opposed to a Turner/Wall type. Who would you pick at 8 or 9? Just curious.

Whiteside looks awesome. Currently projected #1 overall in 2011 but here’s hoping we can get a look at him in 2010.

I appreciate the comments though. Next time, don't skim!
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written by Mike R, February 03, 2010
Also, pure anger and rage? Really?
Lol
written by College Wolf, February 03, 2010
Me and you both get hammered in a comment because someone either skimmed, or was flat-out wrong in their derogatorry response to us!
RAGE and anger managment! Arg!
written by Mike R, February 03, 2010
I actually had a paragraph long disclaimer included in this at one point addressing how important it is to read the entire write-up, or write-ups in general. I thought that was a little arrogant, and that 2500 words was enough, so I removed it. Maybe I should have left it on there after all. When writing these things nothing is more annoying than that, or when someone nit picks a tiny thing that is completely different from the subject. In this case, it was expecting a rationalization of the Cousins pick. This is't a draft analysis, considering the Cousins discussion occupies, literally, .002% of the article. Insert any player there, who cares, that wasn't the point. Alas.

I expected more from the commenter, who contributes to one of our sister sites...

Anyhow, I'm off to rage and anger management! Catch ya later!
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written by Mike R, February 03, 2010
Also Jonah thanks for posting this article to your site. Keep up the good work on Howlintwolf.com
Question
written by Tyler J., February 03, 2010
Say, just for a second, that the Wolves aren't really the Wolves, but they are a team that actually gets lucky in the draft and comes away with the number 1 seed. This is assuming they don't make any significant deal before the deadline, of course (Mike - I agree that this is the way to go). The Wolves select John Wall, and there is much rejoicing. At that point, we will have Flynn, Sessions, maybe Rubio, and Wall. We seem to be pretty dedicated to Flynn (and rightly so), so what do we do with Sessions and Rubio? Do we run Wall as the starting PG and spell him with Flynn? I just seem to be unclear as to what the Wolves would do in that situation.
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written by Mike R, February 03, 2010
Well 1st they would rejoice because that would be an unreal situation to be in. 2. You either trade Rubio's rights or Flynn and change for a stud wing, or 3. Mold Wall into a Wade-esque Shooting guard and pair him with Rubio in 2 years. Sessions isn't much of a concern really. Easily moveable (as all players should be if you sign smart deals). Flynn is a nice bench spark plug or a tradeable floor general with a good attitude (big factor).

But tough call. Gotta pick someone. Definately not wise to pass on Wall thats for sure!

Thanks for the comment, what would you do?

Mr. Mike R.
written by Jonah, February 03, 2010
Ok, ok. I will say I didn't skim the article and I was simply posing a counter-argument. I like some things you said but the only thing I really disagree on is Ellis. I think that bringing in a guy who has already been a part of a losing team won't want to play for another one which simply diminishes his will. I wouldn't want someone like that especially if we look like we could have a good squad for next season. I'd rather take the gamble and go for a Turner or Johnson in the draft as opposed to picking someone like an Ellis up through trade.

I also disagree with you on Cousins but it's only because this is John Wall's draft. I think at our position, the Wolves need to find the closest thing of value meets need. Turner, Johnson and Whiteside would all be those guys. I LOVE Whiteside. He could become the next bust however but he has great upside at a position we need to fill (Value meets need). Who knows if he will come out, I've heard he will because of his age but you never know.

So, now I am here to say I am just adding some friendly butt-heading between our two sites and point of views. I like what you guys have done and will continue to read your stuff daily!
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written by Jonah, February 03, 2010
Oh and I forgot to mention I'm agreeing with you on Ellis! Sorry!
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written by Mike R, February 03, 2010
Of course. But I said I would NOT advocate the Ellis trade! 3 times I think!

And, again, I wasn't saying Cousins is the must-pick. AGAIN, it was just to gauge the value of the player who could be picked 8th. Take Johnson, Alabi, Monte, whomever is the BPA and insert their name in the lineup. However, he would certainly work well in the rotation since we would actually need a backup PF with the took-me-2-minutes-to-think-of-not-important-to-demonstrate-the-point plan I outlined.

The entire point of the write-up was to illustrate how a knee-jerk trade in three weeks leads to a bleaker outcome in the end. To show that Option B in the 2 scenarios is better.
I completely agree with this....
written by College Wolf, February 03, 2010
"Well 1st they would rejoice because that would be an unreal situation to be in. 2. You either trade Rubio's rights or Flynn and change for a stud wing, or 3. Mold Wall into a Wade-esque Shooting guard and pair him with Rubio in 2 years. Sessions isn't much of a concern really. Easily moveable (as all players should be if you sign smart deals). Flynn is a nice bench spark plug or a tradeable floor general with a good attitude (big factor)."
Answer
written by Tyler J., February 03, 2010
Mike, I realize that my question about what we would do if we were to get John Wall was not directly related to the overall point of your article, and I appreciate your comments in spite of that fact. I took it in that direction, however, because I need to get excited about something. I agree that we should not make any big deals before the trade deadline, but if we don't make any changes now, I (like most Wolves fans) will start looking toward the future when we can make some changes that will put some Ws on the board. I like what you had to say about the idea of morphing Wall into a D-Wade type player. From what I have seen from John Wall, he has the talent to bring that type of contribution to the team. He would have to gain some weight though to pull it off - Wade's got him by about 20 pounds. If, by some miracle, we were able to get Wall, I would say trade away Rubio (I just have a feeling that Rubio is not going to be as good as everyone thinks. I think we could use his reputation to get a good 2 or 3 player instead) and Sessions, and have Flynn back Wall up at point. Or, put Wall in the two spot and keep Flynn where he is. Either way, I would trade away Rubio and possibly Sessions, and go after a 2 or a 3 - somebody who can score. I think Brewer is getting a lot better, but I don't know if I see him as the starting 2 guard on a championship team. Gomes is the same way. If we don't get Wall, I would go after Turner or maybe even Xavier Henry. Henry will probably drop to somewhere in the 5th through 15th pick area, but the kid's a freshman and has some serious talent. I think Flynn can get it done at the PG position. I really think we need to get a good sized 2 or 3 that can provide some perimeter offense as well as the ability to penetrate. I can handle Big Al and Love as the 4 and 5 (although this new thing with Hollins starting for Love seems to be working so far...). Either way, I will be continuing to support the Wolves this year, and will also remember that each day brings us closer to the John Wall Sweepstakes Draft.
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written by Mike R, February 03, 2010
Tyler - sorry that comment was meant for another poster!
ha yeah
written by Tyler J, February 04, 2010
no worries mike. i knew that it wasn't directed at me. i was just commenting on the fact that my first post was not directly related to your article. thats all. no problem.
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written by Mike R, February 04, 2010
Thats true Wall would have to gain some weight in order to last at SG. Something he could definitely do though. A Rubio/Wall backcourt is just nuts with potential. Imagine that! It could happen.

Xavier Henry/Greg Monroe could be had with the Bobcats pick. Not bad spoils for giving up Ty Lawson if you ask me.
The team is young
written by PatB, February 04, 2010
You can't argue that the team isn't young by pointing to the ages of Cardinal, Wilkins, Sasha, etc. When it's stated that it's a young team, it refers to the core (Flynn, Jefferson, Love, Brewer, Ellington). The oldest of the core guys is Al and like you said he's only 26. Solid column though, enjoyed it.
It's Possible
written by Tyler J., February 04, 2010
Even a Rubio/Turner backcourt would be ridiculous. It might take a while to get that going, but that would be a pair that could be hard to stop.
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written by Mike R, February 04, 2010
PatB- True. Blount was added to that chunk mostly for humor purposes. But still, a good chunk of our rotation players are NBA veterans at this point. While certainly the actual average age of the team is lower than several rosters, I still believe that is mostly a scapegoat. While part of the problem, I think it moreso comes down to lack of talent and the need for an A1 player on the roster. The Wolves' core are not guys to "build around" they are "players you use to build around someone else." And that someone is not Andre Iguodala.
Absolutely Fantastic
written by BonK, February 05, 2010
Mike -

Awesome article. Honestly, what a fantastic, informative, and humorous read. You have talent.

I don't really get caught up in all of the trade rumor/scenario/deadline hype because 99% of it doesn't happen. So I haven't really read anything about any recent Wolves rumors, and your article summarized everything very nicely. I also agree with you. No need to trade for a non-alpha dog player at this point. I'm not huge on any of the guys mentioned either. AND I believe that this year is different in that winning the #2 pick in the lotto will be just as good as getting #1. I really think Evan Turner is THAT good.

Once again, fantastic write-up. It got me up to speed on everything I need to know, and was also very clever and funny along the way.
Really good post.
written by LoveTo, February 05, 2010
Totally agree that what the Wolves have right now is a good group of complementary young talent, and adding more of that will not fix things. The better route is to get a shot at Turner or Wall, who would become the centerpiece to all the complementary young talent.

Couple thoughts:

On the "What to do if we get Wall question" discussed in the comments above, I don't trade Rubio. Decide who between Flynn and Sessions would be a better long-term backup PG (and there are legit cases for both -- Flynn as a dynamic sparkplug, or Sessions as a smooth, steady operator). Trade the other for whatever you can get for him. Then, in another year, trot out a Rubio/Wall backcourt. Epic. I'm with the poster above who questioned whether Rubio is as good as everyone thinks, but I think if paired with an all-world guard like Wall, he'd be fine. He would definitely be a sidekick type in that scenario, but if he could just distribute and pass the ball and not have to score, I think he'd be just gravy in that role.
For sure...
written by College Wolf, February 06, 2010
"I'm with the poster above who questioned whether Rubio is as good as everyone thinks, but I think if paired with an all-world guard like Wall, he'd be fine. He would definitely be a sidekick type in that scenario, but if he could just distribute and pass the ball and not have to score, I think he'd be just gravy in that role."

- If Rubio can just distribute the ball and not be counted on to be a main scoring option, he will be awesome I think. Rubio + Wall = Oh my god amazing.
you are an idiot
written by smarterthanyou, February 06, 2010
this is the worst analysis ive ever read
A Trade I'd Be Happy With
written by Cryptkeeper, February 17, 2010
I have heard rumors about Al Jefferson for Luol Deng and Tyrus Thomas. I think that'd be a really good trade for us. Add Rubio to a core of athletic players (Flynn, Brewer, Ellington, Thomas) good passers (Love, Deng) and quality role players (Gomes, Pecherov, Sessions) and we have can keep decent players like Pavlovic and Wilkins to combine with draft picks and a free agent or three to fill our roster. Next year we would be contending for a playoff spot.

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