alphamale wrote:


3 things:
- Oden's getting his feet under him and a feel for basketball again as he hasn't played in a year due to injury.
- Oden's 3 times the athlete Love is. He's cracked perhaps one-tenth of his potential.
- Nothing about Love suggests he's going to simply "get it" after a few years and be the next Malone. His body simply doesn't allow for it. Oden on the other hand, has the body to at least be as good as Dikembe.

alphamale wrote:



What is it with people perpetually making excuses and defending our draft picks?

Give me Oden every single day of the week over Love. No debate whatsoever.

There's not doubt Mayo will be better than Love and that we made a stupid mistake trading him...but Love will be solid I could see him being a David Lee or Brad Miller...not a super star like Mayo but a solid team player.

The thing now is getting something for stupid Mike Miller. We need to get something for Mike Miller before he gets older and sucks even more than he does now to make this stupid trade a little bit better.

I'm just staggered by the lack of patience of you lot.

* He's 20.
* He plays on a team that

(i) has been (and is) poorly coached;
(ii) lacks a legit scoring centre;
(iii) suffers from poor guard play.

and to top it off he duplicates the position of the best player.

What did you honestly expect after 30 games?

And are we overeestimating how good OJ Mayo actually is? He is one of their two 20 ppg players; they run the offence for him, he shoots in volume, the Grizz roster has PG's and and a C who can score and Memphis still suck. And I'm sure you would rather their roster (so would I) but Love has to be judged in context.

The problem with the trade right now is Miller far more than Love. Miller giving an average stat season and Love still learning the ropes (and a couple more wins to boot) and there is less complaining I'm sure.

Ever stop to think that some of us may just be Timberwolves Fans and don't care to berate the team for any and every reason?

alphamale wrote:


Alphamale is correct. There are many of us who view the Timberwolves as "our" team and we desire them to succeed. Our draft picks are Timberwolves now regardless of the circumstances of how we got them. We give them the benifit of the doubt because they are "ours." I don't think anyone showing patience with Kevin Love is being blind and NBA "stupid".

This situation depends on how we view the word "bust." Love will likely, at best, develop into a Brad Miller or David Lee type player. Thats not a horrible outlook. Lets not taint our view of Love's future with Mayo's unlimited potential. Remember in this situation most of us will consider Love a bust simply because Mayo is out performing him in the stat and win column.

alphamale wrote:


This is exactly why McHale still has a job. Going along with all the stupid things the wolves organization does is in the end just hurting the team. If you really cared, you'd be pissed off that they're such a joke.

I complain because I care so much. Probably too much, but then I guess I only have myself to blame.

I also spend lots of money on this team, for some reason...

Well, let’s just put this little argument to rest. The Daddy will break this down once more for ya’ll. Simply put, the ubiquity of blind faith in this team is just silly. At our places of employment, continued exercises in futility would lead to extreme changes in the personnel and eventually a logical assessment of the failures of the current procedures. Blind faith is the opiate of the masses in so many facets of our world, and sports are no different. So let me break it down to you.

Kevin Love’s development into a “bust” is a bit subjective. What do the majority of folks expect from him? In my estimation, he’ll probably exceed expectations. All I expect is the David Lee, Udonis Haslem type of lunch pail player. He looks as though he’ll develop into a better rebounder than those two (at least Haslem). I never expected much from him offensively. He’s slow – that won’t change. He does not have the body of Amare, KG, Dwight, Malone, or even Brad Miller. This won’t change, he just doesn’t have that body. WAKE UP and accept this. There is a reason why Amare is a big time scorer. There is a reason why KG is a big time defender. Their bodies allow them to be. No matter how hard Madsen tries, his body doesn’t allow him to be a big time player. Love can, however, work to utilize everything he has. If he lifted weights and worked out like crazy he could begin to resemble a poor man’s Karl Malone-esque physique, but anyone who knows how much work that takes knows it’s not likely to happen. Defensively it’s the same story, he’s not equipped to become anything more than an average player on this end. His rotations and ability to help can develop though, which I’m sure they will.

So as far as Love, we can come to some conclusions now, but it’s more appropriate to wait and see how he looks after a year or so. What makes him likely to “bust” is the fact that the stupid mgmt brought him in to BACKUP our best player. You don’t take the FIFTH pick to be a backup. We’ve already got a bunch of backup lottery picks in Brewer, McCants, and Telfair (I’m thinking Foye’s developing into a starting quality SG….nothing spectacular, but worthy of starting). The fact that we all could tell from the jump that Miller wouldn’t be a cog in any sort of championship core on this team coupled with the fact that 8 out of 10 people here agreed that Love didn’t fit and that Mayo did (since nobody likes McCants or Foye) proved to doom the poor guy from the start. I’m sure Kevin Love’s a great guy and will be a quality pro. However, as someone mentioned, Mike Miller makes this trade even worse. I’ve never liked him, but was willing to admit he could be good trade bait. That looks to even be a long shot as he’s completely worthless to me at this point. His attitude is great. His leadership is good, I’m sure. He just doesn’t fit here and is looking worse than he is. He seems like a good guy and should get a shot on a team where he could excel…Bottom line, the TRADE will be bust, making Love a bust in comparison. It may not be so lopsided in a year, but the point is simply that any decision maker who continually makes the same types of stupid to average decisions expecting something other than mediocrity is insane and in need of a job with much less decision making involved.

OJ Mayo….So, someone said he’s just a volume shooter on a bad team. Again, I urge us all to look at this objectively. He shoots a good FG%. As high as any shooter in this league – and he’s a rookie. He’s already an average defender and has the athleticism to be elite. He rebounds fine and appears to be at least an average passer. Just as an FYI, check out this link and refute it if you please. It reaffirms my frustrations. www.ojmayonnaise.com/


With this said, let’s compare players of roughly Love’s size and athleticism vs Mayo’s. We can find failures of both so let’s look at the good players.

Players like Love: David Lee, Haslem, B. Miller, Oliver Miller, Brand, Troy Murphy, Milsap, …. (don’t shoot me – Malone)
Players like Mayo: Gordon, Arenas, Finley, Joe Johnson, Wade, Roy (déjà vu).

Do any of you see Love developing into Malone or even Brand? I see Lee or Haslem.

In Mayo I see Finley in his prime, I see Arenas with more defense.

So let's stop the nonsense. If you worked for Bear Stearns you would have jumped ship when illogical decision making started taking the company down. Americans are largely against an auto industry bailout as we, for the most part, think it's the result of lazy, poor decision making for year after year. What's the difference with this team? The fact that fans can see the idiocy of this team means that we care. We can't accept year after year of futility. It's just not logical.

Thank you Daddy... THANK YOU.

That was an articulate and eloquent explanation as to what many of us "complainer/realist" fans are feeling. I couldn't agree with you more. It's like you stole all my thoughts and made it into a post about everything I've wanted to say for some time.

A big fat Howl to you.

Hooray for the Daddy being smart and rational.

Simply put, the ubiquity of blind faith in this team is just silly

I don't have blind faith in this team. We are a bad team run by bad management, coached by a bad coach and owned by a bad owner.

But this is my team and I still watch them and I still want them to win when I do watch them. I think Kevin Love could and should be playing better than he is. I hope Kevin Love will play better than he does. Must I throw him under the bus simply because we have multiple problems as a franchise? Is it "silly" to hope that things get better, or must I go fishing until everyone is replaced? You are right in the fact that futility shuold result in firings, but hey, I'm just a fan. You can't fire me.

mmaland wrote:



A good point. I am pretty sure that the Daddy was speaking in a generalization. There are plenty of fans/internet posters that have far more "blind faith" than you do. You're ok.

Thanks. Now I can die.