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Re:Game Thread: Wolves vs Dallas Mavs (3/8/10) 1 year, 11 months ago #43083

Flash wrote:
Why do everybody hope that Al trade value gooes up? Why should he be traded? Love is playing really bad at the moment but he is our best player. If he is that good, why does he dont start?

Sorry, I had to say that cuz of the all Big Al haters here


No one really knows why Love doesn't start. Rambis' rotations have been terrible, and make no sense lately.
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Re:Game Thread: Wolves vs Dallas Mavs (3/8/10) 1 year, 11 months ago #43089

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College Wolf wrote:
Flash wrote:
Why do everybody hope that Al trade value gooes up? Why should he be traded? Love is playing really bad at the moment but he is our best player. If he is that good, why does he dont start?

Sorry, I had to say that cuz of the all Big Al haters here


No one really knows why Love doesn't start. Rambis' rotations have been terrible, and make no sense lately.


He doesnt start because he plays the same position like Al(Al>Love) and he should strenghten our bench.

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Re:Game Thread: Wolves vs Dallas Mavs (3/8/10) 1 year, 11 months ago #43093

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Flash, I'd love to see how your team turns out 3 years from now, building around your two favorite players Al and Flynn. It would look just like it does now, fyi.

The Daddy was been low key because quite simply, pro basketball is depressing. I’ll stick to the Wolves in this thread, but I’m depressed about the league.

Rambis is baffling. The Dallas Mavericks are the hottest team in the league, we don’t need to play Sasha to lose. We don’t need to sit love for 36 minutes to lose. We don’t need to tie Flynn’s thumbs to his pinkies to lose. Tanking sucks. Just lose like an NBA team, lose like winners, if that makes sense…

At the time of the draft, I was ecstatic about the Rubio draft (and although I’m not has happy now, I’m satisfied with him as an asset) and horrified at the thought of Flynn. I warmed up to him after preseason. I am now reverting back to my post-draft condition of immense depression that Curry is not here. Flynn is going to improve, no doubt. But he’s just not a star, maybe never a starter…?

Corey Brewer has improved immensely. He does dumb stuff, as all players do. Surrounded by incompetence, you can’t expect him to be Lebron. As a high pick, we can expect him to be a starter. Now, let’s consider championship quality teams. Every championship team has a starter (usually a wing player) who averages 10-12 pts, guards the best player on the other team, and does little things while the stars concentrate on doing what makes them the stars. You mean to tell me that the Corey Brewer that is developing wouldn’t flourish on the current Lakers team next to Kobe? What about next to Chris Paul? John Wall? You get the idea…I’m still a fan of this dude.

Love….and Al. What a cluster. We have no identity. Where does Flynn fit into an identity with AL? With Love? Corey with Al? ugghhh. Love next to an athletic defender would help create an identity, as we’ve all suggested. Conversey, Al next to an athletic defender who can score outside of the paint also creates a bit of an identity. My vote would be for the former of those two choices. Although if the right situation presents itself, I could be persuaded to keep Al Jeezy. This is not likely though, since I guarantee if I got first ball against him in a game of one on one, I’d have at least a 10% chance of 7-0 skunking him. So, let’s just get Donnie Darko to stay, keep developing Hollins into the Birdman 2.0, and get Al to New York for Gallinari and some other stuff (I’m just obsessed with him, I’m not sure if it’s a rational obsession so feel free to ignore this trade).

Flynn and Jefferson for Bynum.
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Re:Game Thread: Wolves vs Dallas Mavs (3/8/10) 1 year, 11 months ago #43094

daddyfatsax wrote:
Flash, I'd love to see how your team turns out 3 years from now, building around your two favorite players Al and Flynn. It would look just like it does now, fyi.

The Daddy was been low key because quite simply, pro basketball is depressing. I’ll stick to the Wolves in this thread, but I’m depressed about the league.

Rambis is baffling. The Dallas Mavericks are the hottest team in the league, we don’t need to play Sasha to lose. We don’t need to sit love for 36 minutes to lose. We don’t need to tie Flynn’s thumbs to his pinkies to lose. Tanking sucks. Just lose like an NBA team, lose like winners, if that makes sense…

At the time of the draft, I was ecstatic about the Rubio draft (and although I’m not has happy now, I’m satisfied with him as an asset) and horrified at the thought of Flynn. I warmed up to him after preseason. I am now reverting back to my post-draft condition of immense depression that Curry is not here. Flynn is going to improve, no doubt. But he’s just not a star, maybe never a starter…?

Corey Brewer has improved immensely. He does dumb stuff, as all players do. Surrounded by incompetence, you can’t expect him to be Lebron. As a high pick, we can expect him to be a starter. Now, let’s consider championship quality teams. Every championship team has a starter (usually a wing player) who averages 10-12 pts, guards the best player on the other team, and does little things while the stars concentrate on doing what makes them the stars. You mean to tell me that the Corey Brewer that is developing wouldn’t flourish on the current Lakers team next to Kobe? What about next to Chris Paul? John Wall? You get the idea…I’m still a fan of this dude.

Love….and Al. What a cluster. We have no identity. Where does Flynn fit into an identity with AL? With Love? Corey with Al? ugghhh. Love next to an athletic defender would help create an identity, as we’ve all suggested. Conversey, Al next to an athletic defender who can score outside of the paint also creates a bit of an identity. My vote would be for the former of those two choices. Although if the right situation presents itself, I could be persuaded to keep Al Jeezy. This is not likely though, since I guarantee if I got first ball against him in a game of one on one, I’d have at least a 10% chance of 7-0 skunking him. So, let’s just get Donnie Darko to stay, keep developing Hollins into the Birdman 2.0, and get Al to New York for Gallinari and some other stuff (I’m just obsessed with him, I’m not sure if it’s a rational obsession so feel free to ignore this trade).

Flynn and Jefferson for Bynum.


You are the man Daddy and always have been. Appreciate dropping the knowledge on us as usual. Howl to you.

Can't say I disagree with any of this either. Spot on. Keep your head up if you can and keep posting, stuff like this is very welcome around here.

Oh, and I'd trade Flynn and Jefferson for Bynum in a heartbeat. Heck, I'd trade them for Perkins in a heartbeat too.
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Re:Game Thread: Wolves vs Dallas Mavs (3/8/10) 1 year, 11 months ago #43095

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Nice post. Howl (it might have to wait a couple hours tho. )


I've always been a supporter of Flynn but am swayed a little as of late.

On draft night after the God's smiled on us and let Rubio slip (at least it was fantastic that night before learning he wouldn't suit up for us for a cpl years..) to 5, I was ecstatic thinking we'd next choose Curry (as was everyone!!!!?) and lock up our pg and sg...
instead Flynn. What can ya say. No sense in crying again and again over spilled milk. We can just hope we acquire a scoring team-leader and Flynn develops into a better facilitator, I guess.

Pro ball hasn't been as great, particularly not for Wolves fans.
It is the doldrums, the dog days of winter and the NBA.

Have no fear Daddy, March Madness is near!
Should be a breathe of fresh air.

Brewer is a great role player.
Love is an excellent role player.

Our identity could be hustle and defense someday. I'd hope it to be anyways.

Al+Flynn for Bynum? I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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Re:Game Thread: Wolves vs Dallas Mavs (3/8/10) 1 year, 11 months ago #43096

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College Wolf wrote:
daddyfatsax wrote:
Flash, I'd love to see how your team turns out 3 years from now, building around your two favorite players Al and Flynn. It would look just like it does now, fyi.

The Daddy was been low key because quite simply, pro basketball is depressing. I’ll stick to the Wolves in this thread, but I’m depressed about the league.

Rambis is baffling. The Dallas Mavericks are the hottest team in the league, we don’t need to play Sasha to lose. We don’t need to sit love for 36 minutes to lose. We don’t need to tie Flynn’s thumbs to his pinkies to lose. Tanking sucks. Just lose like an NBA team, lose like winners, if that makes sense…

At the time of the draft, I was ecstatic about the Rubio draft (and although I’m not has happy now, I’m satisfied with him as an asset) and horrified at the thought of Flynn. I warmed up to him after preseason. I am now reverting back to my post-draft condition of immense depression that Curry is not here. Flynn is going to improve, no doubt. But he’s just not a star, maybe never a starter…?

Corey Brewer has improved immensely. He does dumb stuff, as all players do. Surrounded by incompetence, you can’t expect him to be Lebron. As a high pick, we can expect him to be a starter. Now, let’s consider championship quality teams. Every championship team has a starter (usually a wing player) who averages 10-12 pts, guards the best player on the other team, and does little things while the stars concentrate on doing what makes them the stars. You mean to tell me that the Corey Brewer that is developing wouldn’t flourish on the current Lakers team next to Kobe? What about next to Chris Paul? John Wall? You get the idea…I’m still a fan of this dude.

Love….and Al. What a cluster. We have no identity. Where does Flynn fit into an identity with AL? With Love? Corey with Al? ugghhh. Love next to an athletic defender would help create an identity, as we’ve all suggested. Conversey, Al next to an athletic defender who can score outside of the paint also creates a bit of an identity. My vote would be for the former of those two choices. Although if the right situation presents itself, I could be persuaded to keep Al Jeezy. This is not likely though, since I guarantee if I got first ball against him in a game of one on one, I’d have at least a 10% chance of 7-0 skunking him. So, let’s just get Donnie Darko to stay, keep developing Hollins into the Birdman 2.0, and get Al to New York for Gallinari and some other stuff (I’m just obsessed with him, I’m not sure if it’s a rational obsession so feel free to ignore this trade).

Flynn and Jefferson for Bynum.


You are the man Daddy and always have been. Appreciate dropping the knowledge on us as usual. Howl to you.

Can't say I disagree with any of this either. Spot on. Keep your head up if you can and keep posting, stuff like this is very welcome around here.

Oh, and I'd trade Flynn and Jefferson for Bynum in a heartbeat. Heck, I'd trade them for Perkins in a heartbeat too.


I wrote the same thing about Bynum prior to seeing your post! and was actually going to write the same thing about Perkins!! No kidding.

Great minds think alike; trade Big Al.
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Re:Game Thread: Wolves vs Dallas Mavs (3/8/10) 1 year, 11 months ago #43097

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Great minds think alike; trade Big Al.


Indeed.
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Re:Game Thread: Wolves vs Dallas Mavs (3/8/10) 1 year, 11 months ago #43098

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Daddy,
First, my favourite player is Corey and of course Turner next year and that are the two players I would build around. Why everybody here thinks that I am a Flynn fan?!
Second, Al is at the moment our best player and its hard to find someone better than him.All the players you are mentioning are or on his level or worser. I think its not fair to Big Al, I mean he is giving everything every match and the only problem is maybe his defence. But not every player is good at every aspect. I am also not a Big Al fan but he is our best player and its hard to find someone better via trade. I have the feeling that you guys think that Al is the main reason why we are so bad...
Also, Bynum wouldnt help us,at the best,maybe wo would have 5 more wins.He would probably be more on the bench,injured...

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Re:Game Thread: Wolves vs Dallas Mavs (3/8/10) 1 year, 11 months ago #43099

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Flash wrote:
Daddy,
First, my favourite player is Corey and of course Turner next year and that are the two players I would build around. Why everybody here thinks that I am a Flynn fan?!
Second, Al is at the moment our best player and its hard to find someone better than him.All the players you are mentioning are or on his level or worser. I think its not fair to Big Al, I mean he is giving everything every match and the only problem is maybe his defence. But not every player is good at every aspect. I am also not a Big Al fan but he is our best player and its hard to find someone better via trade. I have the feeling that you guys think that Al is the main reason why we are so bad...
Also, Bynum wouldnt help us,at the best,maybe wo would have 5 more wins.He would probably be more on the bench,injured...


We'll, ppl probably think you a Flynn fan cause your picture/avatar is of Flynn.

Don't misunderstand us that want to see Al traded. He's a great offensive low post player. A great guy perhaps, too, what with never complaining about coming here to MN like so many would/do, but not the best fit in our puzzle. Love just makes more sense.

Bynum would be a much better fit also, because he is a true center.

Al should be traded for a high draft pick if possible.
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Re:Game Thread: Wolves vs Dallas Mavs (3/8/10) 1 year, 11 months ago #43135

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Bynum would be a great fit. He's one of the very few young, 2-way centers in the league who allow us to start Love and not be a liability.

Bynum, Bogut, and Brooke Lopez. That's about it. Am I missing anyone? Dwight Howard doesn't count, no way in hell he would ever be traded.
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Re:Game Thread: Wolves vs Dallas Mavs (3/8/10) 1 year, 11 months ago #43137

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daddyfatsax wrote:
Flash, I'd love to see how your team turns out 3 years from now, building around your two favorite players Al and Flynn. It would look just like it does now, fyi.

The Daddy was been low key because quite simply, pro basketball is depressing. I’ll stick to the Wolves in this thread, but I’m depressed about the league.

Rambis is baffling. The Dallas Mavericks are the hottest team in the league, we don’t need to play Sasha to lose. We don’t need to sit love for 36 minutes to lose. We don’t need to tie Flynn’s thumbs to his pinkies to lose. Tanking sucks. Just lose like an NBA team, lose like winners, if that makes sense…

At the time of the draft, I was ecstatic about the Rubio draft (and although I’m not has happy now, I’m satisfied with him as an asset) and horrified at the thought of Flynn. I warmed up to him after preseason. I am now reverting back to my post-draft condition of immense depression that Curry is not here. Flynn is going to improve, no doubt. But he’s just not a star, maybe never a starter…?

Corey Brewer has improved immensely. He does dumb stuff, as all players do. Surrounded by incompetence, you can’t expect him to be Lebron. As a high pick, we can expect him to be a starter. Now, let’s consider championship quality teams. Every championship team has a starter (usually a wing player) who averages 10-12 pts, guards the best player on the other team, and does little things while the stars concentrate on doing what makes them the stars. You mean to tell me that the Corey Brewer that is developing wouldn’t flourish on the current Lakers team next to Kobe? What about next to Chris Paul? John Wall? You get the idea…I’m still a fan of this dude.

Love….and Al. What a cluster. We have no identity. Where does Flynn fit into an identity with AL? With Love? Corey with Al? ugghhh. Love next to an athletic defender would help create an identity, as we’ve all suggested. Conversey, Al next to an athletic defender who can score outside of the paint also creates a bit of an identity. My vote would be for the former of those two choices. Although if the right situation presents itself, I could be persuaded to keep Al Jeezy. This is not likely though, since I guarantee if I got first ball against him in a game of one on one, I’d have at least a 10% chance of 7-0 skunking him. So, let’s just get Donnie Darko to stay, keep developing Hollins into the Birdman 2.0, and get Al to New York for Gallinari and some other stuff (I’m just obsessed with him, I’m not sure if it’s a rational obsession so feel free to ignore this trade).

Flynn and Jefferson for Bynum.


I agree with your assertion about identity. I thou8ght we had it made when both Rubio and Curry fell to us at consecutive picks. No matter how good Flynn looked, he would have been better at a later pick, where we could have traded up from one of our other first round picks (the Ellington or Lawson pick). Anyone who watched Davidson with Curry could see how steady he was.

Pairing Curry and Rubio together would have galvanized our fan base, and I will bet you Rubio would have worked harder to come over if he was playing with a known guy like Curry, who also happens to be a natural combo guard rather than pure point (i.e. no position/fit issues with Rubio like Flynn has).

I'm inclined to give Kahn the benefit of the doubt in most cases, just because he's not McHale. And Flynn seems like a long-term good guy who's good for team chemistry and all... It's just tough to see him running a contender, even though I think the potential is there. I hope he changes my mind on this.

I prefer Love to Jefferson. I want to like Al, but it just seems like he's been on losing teams too long to be "the guy" on a contender. Ship him to the Thunder to get his head right, win a championship or two, it would do him well. Maybe a 3 way trade sending Al to Thunder, Jeff Green plus ??? to Grizzlies, and Marc Gasol to T-Wolves. I'd really like Gasol with Love and some athletic wings, maybe then drafting a DeMarcus Cousins-type player with some athletic upside would make sense.

Most importantly, we need is to get Evan Turner here to fill out our backcourt. Then we can start building some identity.
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Re:Game Thread: Wolves vs Dallas Mavs (3/8/10) 1 year, 11 months ago #43140

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wolfenstein wrote:

I agree with your assertion about identity. I thou8ght we had it made when both Rubio and Curry fell to us at consecutive picks. No matter how good Flynn looked, he would have been better at a later pick, where we could have traded up from one of our other first round picks (the Ellington or Lawson pick). Anyone who watched Davidson with Curry could see how steady he was.

Pairing Curry and Rubio together would have galvanized our fan base, and I will bet you Rubio would have worked harder to come over if he was playing with a known guy like Curry, who also happens to be a natural combo guard rather than pure point (i.e. no position/fit issues with Rubio like Flynn has).

I'm inclined to give Kahn the benefit of the doubt in most cases, just because he's not McHale. And Flynn seems like a long-term good guy who's good for team chemistry and all... It's just tough to see him running a contender, even though I think the potential is there. I hope he changes my mind on this.

I prefer Love to Jefferson. I want to like Al, but it just seems like he's been on losing teams too long to be "the guy" on a contender. Ship him to the Thunder to get his head right, win a championship or two, it would do him well. Maybe a 3 way trade sending Al to Thunder, Jeff Green plus ??? to Grizzlies, and Marc Gasol to T-Wolves. I'd really like Gasol with Love and some athletic wings, maybe then drafting a DeMarcus Cousins-type player with some athletic upside would make sense.

Most importantly, we need is to get Evan Turner here to fill out our backcourt. Then we can start building some identity.


I agree with you here on Flynn... Does it not seem strange in a season that is lost that Rambis has not at least looked at Sessions starting with Flynn providing a scoring spark off the bench? Flynn at this point looks capable of playing a Jamal Crawford / Jet Terry role off the bench with a licence to attack the opposition teams second unit. Not saying this is the limit on his potential, just where he seems to be right now. Rambis continues to play Love off the bench, the fact that he hasn't even considered switching the PG's seems a real undersight to me...
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Re:Game Thread: Wolves vs Dallas Mavs (3/8/10) 1 year, 11 months ago #43155

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Bynum would be a great fit. He's one of the very few young, 2-way centers in the league who allow us to start Love and not be a liability.

Bynum, Bogut, and Brooke Lopez. That's about it. Am I missing anyone? Dwight Howard doesn't count, no way in hell he would ever be traded.


Yes please. I'd love any of those three centers. I'd add Oden to the list, but he's an injury risk and all. Still, he's worth a gamble I think. Varajao would also be nice next to Love.
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Re:Game Thread: Wolves vs Dallas Mavs (3/8/10) 1 year, 11 months ago #43156

College Wolf wrote:
roundhouse wrote:
Bynum would be a great fit. He's one of the very few young, 2-way centers in the league who allow us to start Love and not be a liability.

Bynum, Bogut, and Brooke Lopez. That's about it. Am I missing anyone? Dwight Howard doesn't count, no way in hell he would ever be traded.


Yes please. I'd love any of those three centers. I'd add Oden to the list, but he's an injury risk and all. Still, he's worth a gamble I think. Varajao would also be nice next to Love.


Don't forget Kendrick Perkins and Noah.
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Re:Game Thread: Wolves vs Dallas Mavs (3/8/10) 1 year, 11 months ago #43160

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I agree with you here on Flynn... Does it not seem strange in a season that is lost that Rambis has not at least looked at Sessions starting with Flynn providing a scoring spark off the bench? Flynn at this point looks capable of playing a Jamal Crawford / Jet Terry role off the bench with a licence to attack the opposition teams second unit. Not saying this is the limit on his potential, just where he seems to be right now. Rambis continues to play Love off the bench, the fact that he hasn't even considered switching the PG's seems a real undersight to me...


Yep, that is freakin mind-boggling.
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