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Re: Premature offseason thread #1 1 year 2 months ago #83303

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daddyfatsax wrote:
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We were well aware that Sessions is good. Back when he was still on the Bucks he had something ridiculous like 24 assists in one game. Rambis badly misused him because he was so intent on making his tricylce offense work with Wes Johnson playing the role of Kobe and Sessions as the sharpshooting point guard. :S

I don't know how the team didn't just completely shut him out and run their own offense.

Ramon Sessions into Steve Kerr = fail
Wes Johnson into Pippen = fail
Kevin love into Kukoc super sub and then into Kukoc-Rodman = fail
Flynn into Derek Fisher and zero PnR's all year = fail
tough love for all your players Tony Soprano style = fail
Beasley into MJ with no accountability on either end = fail
Zero development of any players at all = fail
Rambis' life = fail

Anyway, on to the Wolves' offseason. How will it take to pry Kirilenko over to be a wily vet for the team? He'll work well for a few years. He'll like MN weather, too.

Rubio
Shannon Brown
AK
Love
Pek

Bench (no solutions yet...it sucks and doesn't fit together):
Ridnour
Barea (Although Bonk loves him :whistle: I feel like they should trade him back to the Mavericks once they lose out on Deron)
Tolliver (What's going to happen here? Let's keep him)
Darko (assume he'll be super motivated for the beginning of the season to get me excited again only to get fat & out of shape once more)
Martell (With AK and Brown there's no need to resign, even at a lower price)
Wellington (whatever)
Lee (after watching him play he's my new Corey Brewer. I can't stop watching him on D. If he learns the game on D, he's money. Like a defensive version of Westbrook).
Wesley - How can they get rid of him?
Derrick Williams - Traded for Ibaka or Favors.

Nice suggestions all.

DFS - I think AK-47 is a forgotten man and someone we should target for sure. He will be in the NBA next season without question. Now that NJ acquired Gerald Wallace, there is no room for him there. Gordon Hayward is turning into a stud in Utah (one of the big surprises of the year, IMO). He is available.

One of the things that has really stood out is how stagnant the offense has become with Rubio out. Both Ridnour and Barea have had their moments, but IMO you keep just one of those guys to run the point in spurts and act as a backup undersized 2. Call me crazy but I thought Ridnour was a very passable 2 guard, as was Barea during the peak of the season. Major point: The Wolves were winning games in crunch time with a Rubio/Ridnour/Barea lineup at the 1-3 which is just crazy. Both are much better suited as combo guards depending on the situaish.

Adelman's offense needs good passers/facilitators. Barea and Luke are not that.

That being said, keep 1 of Barea and Ridnour, and use the other spot on a natural PG facilitator with experience. A non-scoring PG with great passing skills. He need not be a star, but someone who can run simple plays if Rubio were to get hurt again. By and large this is why the team collapsed. Sessions would have been perfect. Ugh. Who else is out there? Earl Watson? Derek Fisher? Ideally someone a little more skilled. Just trying to be realistic.

Also need a defensive big man with a heart who isn't a liability.

...And I haven't even gotten to the other wing spots, yet :(...but Shannon Brown is intriguing. As is OJ Mayo. If only we had more cap room.
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Re: Premature offseason thread #1 1 year 2 months ago #83309

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I no longer want Rivers www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post...le-power-rankings-21

I want Mayo bad. Brandon Rush would be nice. I'm sick of 1 way players - my Kevin Martin interest is ennnh. I'll take Ariza. Shoot, I'll take Magettee.

Webster can go. He just doesn't do enough on a nightly basis. He screams mediocracy. Maybe Wes is starting to come around? ahhhhhhh I've said that about 100 times before. Trade Barea. Keep Luke. Keep Malcolm. Keep Wayne unless it's redundant. Free Beasley and let him tease someone else. Adelman hates Randolph, so let him go. Amnesty Milicic.
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Re: Premature offseason thread #1 1 year 2 months ago #83310

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If not OJ Mayo, then somehow get Tony Allen. He is awesome in just about every way.

What are the odds the Wolves end up signing Jamal Crawford this summer? 80-90%? He said yesterday he was going to be a FA this summer, so he is probably opting out.
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Re: Premature offseason thread #1 1 year 2 months ago #83312

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I know this might sound stupid, but it is clear we are just riffing so- what about taking a small chance on Jeff Green?

Prior to the Boston stint he was awesome in OKC because he was a starter, and clearly he just didn't mesh with a coach like Doc Rivers who has a fetish for veterans and a possible disdain (not a Larry Brown Level, but not picture perfect so somewhere in-between) for youngsters and rooks.

Scott Brooks clearly is someone who knows how to handle youngins so he succeeded... it is clear Adelman knows how to handle youngins

Considering, maybe and this is a BIG MAYBE/IF, he is fine after his surgery and sitting a year out from his medical scare,

Sign him to a 1 year deal for 2 million, with a team option. If he doesnt work he doesn't work out. If he does work out, thanks to the team option you don't have to worry about him going away.

And seeing as he can play the 3 and the 4, if he does work out then maybe we can trade the so called 'potential' in Dwill for a valuable two guard - or at the very least a two guard that actually is a two guard!
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Re: Premature offseason thread #1 1 year 2 months ago #83315

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Smithy wrote:
I know this might sound stupid, but it is clear we are just riffing so- what about taking a small chance on Jeff Green?

Prior to the Boston stint he was awesome in OKC because he was a starter, and clearly he just didn't mesh with a coach like Doc Rivers who has a fetish for veterans and a possible disdain (not a Larry Brown Level, but not picture perfect so somewhere in-between) for youngsters and rooks.

Scott Brooks clearly is someone who knows how to handle youngins so he succeeded... it is clear Adelman knows how to handle youngins

Considering, maybe and this is a BIG MAYBE/IF, he is fine after his surgery and sitting a year out from his medical scare,

Sign him to a 1 year deal for 2 million, with a team option. If he doesnt work he doesn't work out. If he does work out, thanks to the team option you don't have to worry about him going away.

And seeing as he can play the 3 and the 4, if he does work out then maybe we can trade the so called 'potential' in Dwill for a valuable two guard - or at the very least a two guard that actually is a two guard!

I like where your heads at Smitty. While Jeff Green is a good player, he'll never be great. None of here think D-Charge is a bust, chances are he'll also be a good tweener. So trade D-Charge while people think he'll be a start and try to get Tony Allen and/or OJ Mayo while signing Jeff Green for similar production but more maturity.

Doc Rivers had no problem playing him. The reason OKC traded him was because he really is a tweener that was going to be behind both Ibaka and Durant but had high enough value to held shore up their middle and toughness. He would have done very well in Boston this season with KG at the five. Last season Doc was asking him to do things he hadn't done yet - play a complete game. I like him and think he'll be a valuable role player somewhere. Hopefully Boston or MN once the Wolves trade the Lion and Wes for Tony Allen and OJ Mayo.
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Re: Premature offseason thread #1 1 year 2 months ago #83316

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Just saw the below clip. Kinda disappointed you all didn't point this out to me earlier. You know this is how The Daddy coaches the game. let the bodies hit the floor.

Sign Andre Miller to back up Rubio. Trade Barea back to the Mavs for Marion.
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Re: Premature offseason thread #1 1 year 2 months ago #83320

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Ewww Jeff Green. No thanks.

Malcolm Lee is interesting. He plays good defense but there is only so much of a role for defensive guards who can't shoot. Even Tony Allen who is probably the best perimeter defender in the league only plays like 26 minutes per game.

I'd say get rid of Barea. Him and Lee are redundant offensively and I like Ridnour & Lee as a backup guard pair. They balance each other nicely.

I don't see getting someone like Earl Watson as a priority. Any minimum wage 3rd PG will be fine until Rubio is ready to go. Kahn is too incompetent to trade one of Ridnour or Barea anyways, so it's a moot point. It's all about wings. We need a starting shooting guard and a starting small forward.
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Re: Premature offseason thread #1 1 year 2 months ago #83321

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Ewww Jeff Green. No thanks.

Malcolm Lee is interesting. He plays good defense but there is only so much of a role for defensive guards who can't shoot. Even Tony Allen who is probably the best perimeter defender in the league only plays like 26 minutes per game.

I'd say get rid of Barea. Him and Lee are redundant offensively and I like Ridnour & Lee as a backup guard pair. They balance each other nicely.

I don't see getting someone like Earl Watson as a priority. Any minimum wage 3rd PG will be fine until Rubio is ready to go. Kahn is too incompetent to trade one of Ridnour or Barea anyways, so it's a moot point. It's all about wings. We need a starting shooting guard and a starting small forward.

No, because AK47 is coming. So the Wolves need a SG.
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Re: Premature offseason thread #1 1 year 2 months ago #83323

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daddyfatsax wrote:
Just saw the below clip. Kinda disappointed you all didn't point this out to me earlier. You know this is how The Daddy coaches the game. let the bodies hit the floor.

Sign Andre Miller to back up Rubio. Trade Barea back to the Mavs for Marion.

Blake Griffin is a douche bag. He is so arrogant.
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Re: Premature offseason thread #1 1 year 2 months ago #83328

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TRUE he is a douche, but he can do this........




Question: "Hey Antoine Walker, why do you shoot so many 3's?"

Answer: "Because there are no 4's."
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Re: Premature offseason thread #1 1 year 2 months ago #83329

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That first one should have been a foul. He sticks out his arm and pushes off Pau's head with his forearm. The putback was sweet though.
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Re: Premature offseason thread #1 1 year 2 months ago #83337

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I never saw that Dre Miller thing before. That's awesome. He is one of the most underrated players in the league. He's a smart, heady player who never misses a game and is uber efficient. Although with us already having Luke/JJ/Lee one or more of them would have to leave for him to be relevant here.

Jeff Green could be a decent small forward try. He's gotta be better than Webster. From what I know, he can guard 3's pretty well, right? I would definitely be more excited about him as our starting 3 than Webster or Wes. He was looking pretty legit before the trade, and then he just had a portion of a season with the C's and then the injury. I'm in.
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Re: Premature offseason thread #1 1 year 2 months ago #83344

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I don't want Jeff Green for anything more than a minimum salary. All the advanced stats and "stuff" say that he's not a very good player at all. He benefited playing on the Zombie Sonics because he didn't have to do much and wasn't the focus of the other team.

Still, I guess he couldn't be worse than the drivel we currently have at SF... :S
Question: "Hey Antoine Walker, why do you shoot so many 3's?"

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Re: Premature offseason thread #1 1 year 2 months ago #83346

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College Wolf wrote:
I don't want Jeff Green for anything more than a minimum salary. All the advanced stats and "stuff" say that he's not a very good player at all. He benefited playing on the Zombie Sonics because he didn't have to do much and wasn't the focus of the other team.

Still, I guess he couldn't be worse than the drivel we currently have at SF... :S

Ehh, he's fine because he won't command any type of salary other than something below what D-Charge makes now. With D-Charge and (presumably) Beasley gone, they'll need some scoring off the bench. He's a fine role player, but Doc saw he really wasn't a good player in the role he was playing with OKC (Banging with big 4's and slanging 3's left and right).

Blake Griffin gets highlight dunks when he elevates using momentum from his defender. Kemp did it A) without a running head start and B) Without propelling himself off his defender. If you've ever tried the trick in HS where you jump and your tall teammate pushes you up at the waist you could dunk like that every time. It's no different here. He jumps like crazy, but wouldn't make those dunks if the players just stayed on their feet so he couldn't propel off shoulders at the height of his dunk.
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Re: Premature offseason thread #1 1 year 2 months ago #83352

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jeff green is a stiff like webster
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