onebyone wrote:
No it's not, it's completely legit. Here's more, please read:

For Chicago Bulls’ Derrick Rose, winning alters all numbers


Pants had a good post above too.

I am still rolling with Durant, D-Ho, and LeBron. Rose is #4, at best.

All I'm saying is take Rose off the Bulls and what kind of a team are they? No offensive identity and a team hobbled with injuries. I take back my weak statement because they are legit cases. I just see the MVP trophy going to the guy that if you take him off the team, the team is nowhere near the level they are at right now. Dwight would be my second in MVP voting.

onebyone wrote:
Yep!!! You take Rose out of Chicago and they are as good as the Jazz right now.

The Magic without Howard are worse than the Bulls without Rose.

Cavs:
08-09 - 66 wins
09-10 - 61 wins
10-11 - 14 wins

Your answer lies above. Not a fan of him. But he proved his worth when the team plummets roughly 45 games without him. Or maybe it was Mike Brown!?

daddyfatsax wrote:
Yeah, I agree with you there. I have LeBron #3 personally. And the Heat without LeBron aren't significantly worse than they are now, like how the Cavs are without LeBron.

I don't care for the MVP measure by subtraction but the Cleveland w/o LeBron that we are seeing in action this year is pretty solid validation of his skill.

Could Derrick Rose have lead that crew of crap to 60 wins? I highly doubt it.

Despite what twisting of the english language and sports talk radio blather, MVP is for the best player (that season) in a given sport. The only way I would discount a player based on his team being too good is if his team was so farcically good that what he was doing was no longer affecting game outcomes. Lets say Dwight and Chris Paul joined the Heat somehow. At that point I'd raise my middle finger to the situation and take my mythical vote elsewhere. That is far from the case with the Heat. That team is getting close to zero production from players 4-12 as is possible (Hollinger put up a rare excellent piece on it).

onebyone wrote:
Nicely said!!

This is a very reasonable opinion:

Keeping Score: Why Rose Should Not Win M.V.P.

How is Durant not even on most writers' top 3-5 radar?!?! That is what blows my mind about the MVP race this year.

BonK wrote:
I don't get it either!?!?! What the eff? And they have a great team!

I can definitely understand pimping Howard for MVP, he deserves it. But so does Durant! It is inexcusable that he's not even being mentioned by most people.

Zach Lowe nails it here. See the first half of this article about the MVP:

Monday Musings: Thoughts on the MVP


P.S. What about Durant!?! How is NO ONE talking about him? I cannot understand this.

College Wolf wrote:
I think we are only allowed to talk about three guys for MVP. LeBron, Howard and Rose are only guys in the club this year. Sorry Kobe and KD better luck next year. You guys have won championships like LeB.., Derrick R..., or Dwight Ho...

Add CP3 to your list of snubs. But yeah, even as much as I DESPISE Kobe, he should still be in the MVP discussion. There is no talk of him, Durant, or CP3 anywhere to be found.

Another good read. Pretty much no stats say Rose should be MVP. It's only people that think he deserves it because the Bulls are winning. If that's the case, then give it to someone on the Spurs, because they have the best record.

Playing the numbers game in basketball’s MVP debate