WallyWorld wrote:
It was the height of the 7 footer who can shoot phenomenon (too bad he can't). It took a few years before teams realized having their 7 footers out on the perimeter taking 3's presents more problems than it fixes.

But yeah. Look at how far apart the spread was. Darko took years to even be allowed it the game and Carmelo was ready to go from day 1. Come on. Oh wait they had Tayshaun Prince. Nevermind.

If ever a team needed hire Kevin "I scouted the NCAA Tourney and called it a day" McHale it was Detroit that year.

That's why you always take the BPA, Pants, right?

WallyWorld wrote:
Back to my boy Brandon Knight!!!!

The Kidd/Barea backcourt certainly helped your argument!!

WallyWorld wrote:
Thanks boys!!! Keep it up!!! Down with athletic Wings, up with wiley guards.

Wow this Wade argument is really stupid. #3 SG all time? You're kidding right? He's not even as good as Clyde Drexler. What about Jerry West!?!? It would be absurd to put Wade ahead of him. West is firmly entrenched at the #3 spot behind MJ & Kobe in my opinion. George Iceman Gervin won 4 scoring titles and once scored 33 points in ONE quarter. You could make a compelling argument that even Iverson is ahead of him. Wade is one of the best SGs of the past decade along with Kobe, AI, and Ray Allen, but does not even register on any all time discussions for me. If he keeps playing at a high level for another 3-5 years, we'll talk.

This is reminding me of about a week ago when CW and others were saying how crazy it was that Lebron didn't win the MVP award and how much he deserved to get it. Yea how's that working out? I think it should be clear to everyone now that best player does not equal most valuable player. There is some serious Heat player overrating going on in here.

roundhouse wrote:
I agree with Roundhouse on this one.

Wade is good, but seriously? West was awesome. Drexler was transcendent but was overshadowed by the greatest player of all time. How would Wade have looked compared to Jordan? I admire Wade's fire, but I think he is in Joe Dumars territory at this point in his career.

If not for some particularly generous officiating during the last Mavericks Championship, Wade would be ringless. He also had a still-serviceable Shaq on that team.

Hondo Havlicek won 8 titles. EIGHT. And he was one of Boston's primary offensive weapons in those seasons. Jerry West averaged 46.3 points in a five game Playoff Series, and posted a 30 ppg/8 rpg/5 apg season in his second year in the league. He also won an NBA title and was one of the most dominant players of his time.

Wade? Plays in an era where you can't play perimeter defense with your hands, and if you have a shoe contract, you can jump into guys and land on the court and march to the line all game long.

Wade as 3rd best ever is a totally bush league argument.

roundhouse wrote:
I can't imagine working with you in real life or trying to be your friend in real life. Your communication skills are that of a child at times. Disagreeing with someone is no reason to act a Bosh on the site. People don't like disagreeing with you because you call people's opinions dumb, stupid, etc. I'd be much more amenable to your commentary if you simply would start with something like: "I know ya'll like Wade, but I think the recency effect is hampering your decision making..."

Instead you spout off w/out considering my original post. "Modern bball" was a main point of my argument. I never watched the Jerry West era, and I'm sure you have not either. Therefore, I'm not trying to compare anything to the great Mr. West. Same goes for Gervin, Havlicek, etc.

You then have MJ, Kobe, AI, Ray, Reggie, Wade, Clyde, Dumars, and maybe someone I've missed. Probably not.

Dumars was not as good as Wade. Wade is a far more complete player than Ray (my favorite), Reggie, and AI. But I do understand arguments for any of them over Wade. I just would disagree.

Clyde was indeed the only other guy I considered putting ahead of Wade. I couldn't get out of my head his inability to dribble (reminded me of Artest dribbling...anyway). I'm sure folks could debate that forever.

Not sure where this conversation gets stupid so far. Seems that it got stupid when you came in and bashed everyone. Relax, scale back your rankings (let's just consider the past 20 years or so), and accept it that not everyone will be on the Roundhouse bandwagon at all times. And that's ok, because you are just Armchair GMin' like the rest of us.

- DFS

Well I didn't call anyone stupid, just that the idea that Wade is in the top 3 or even top 5 all time, When all time is stated, it is not just be referring to one era of basketball. I had no clue what your definition of modern NBA is. It could have meant a lot of things. NBA-ABA merger? 80's? 90's? Hand check rules?

Wade has been a very good player for 7 seasons, two of which were shortened due to injury. He just does not have the longetivity for me to discuss him with the greats and I just don't thinks he's that good. He gets continually rewarded by the refs for driving out of control to the basket and giving a halfass heave of the ball towards the hoop. That's his whole game. Although I will give him credit for being an excellent defender.

Put it this way, if Wade flamed out next season, he would be remembered for this time period in the same sentence as Vince Carter and T-Mac. He needs to continue to play at a high level for some more time to strengthen his resume.

daddyfatsax wrote:
Solid points about attitude DFS, I retract my statement that Wade as 3rd best is a bush league argument. It is a poorly supported assertion in my estimation, and I would take Ray Allen and Kobe over Wade from this era, and Jordan and Drexler, and possibly Reggie Miller (did I really say that?) from the last era. And Doug West. He definitely needs to be in the conversation. So that makes Wade either the 5th or 6th best SG from the last 20 years, depending on how much of a Wolfies homes you are

But not including the 80s or earlier makes the conversation super tough. I mean, we're not talking about the Greatest Ever at that point, we're talking about one of the 3 best SGs of a generation, which is a totally different discussion than greatest of all time.

I would put MJ, Kobe, Drexler, Iverson, Ray Allen, and Reggie Miller over Wade.

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!! Fantastic in every way, especially the fact that he is standing on a random side of the road.

U-Don-with your career!

"Juwan Howard how old are you? Is there age limit for NBA? Do you get cheap tickets for you momma and daddy because they are 500 years old...probable"

That part cracked me and the joke about Riley's hair.

I was going to disagree about AI over Wade and then I watched this video and the world makes sense. This guy is winning. That is more hilarious than anything. ever.


Fair points about the "modern era" of my memory. 30 years is more apt

In all seriousness I don't even try to compare players like MJ, Clyde, Magic, Bird, etc. to players of today because of the defensive rule changes. I can't imagine how easy MJ would win 12 championships today since he'd average 40 points and 10 assists with these "don't touch me" rules.

So it's a bit of a moot point, I guess. Players like AI and Wade are so impressive to me because they make the most of their size. Wade is not much bigger than Monta Ellis but he plays as big as Kobe and bigger than LeSoft. But that's a story for another day.