OK, Roundhouse & CW:

Why would he retire? Fisher has shown before that he is not necessarily all about the money. He did it when Utah let him out of their contract so he could be with his family in LA while his daughter was being treated for her cancer. Sometimes, pro athletes are actually sufficiently intelligent to know when enough is enough. Again, he has five Championship rings. Exactly how many rings are represented on the Timberwolves? What is it? One? Collectively.

Question his leadership if you want to, but he must have something going on. Otherwise, his peers would not have made him president of the players' association. He brings something to the table that the 'Wolves sorely miss. You have no leader at all. I keep harping on this, but until you get somebody who has the experience and knowledge to help Williams and Beasley get their heads out of their rectums, until you get somebody who can get inside Love's and Pek's heads and make them understand that they have to show up every game and play their asses off, you will continue to muddle around in the middle of the pack, at the very best.

Fisher is playing out his string. I really wish he had gone ahead and said, "OK, I'm done. Think I'll go coach my daughter's Jr High team and teach her how to set a pick."

No, CW, I don't think Fisher's leadership is overrated at all. Look at the personalities he has dealt with over his career and look at what they accomplished as a "TEAM". Lots of players have come and gone in Fisher's years with the Lakers. There are two common denominators: Derek Fisher and Kobe Bryant.

Kobe was a punk 17-yr old sitting next to Fish in '96. They formed a bond that couldn't be broken. That relationship proved to be very lucrative and positive for the Lakers over the next decade and a half. Out of their respective 15+ yr careers, they played together 12+ and got five rings each. Name me three more pairs of players to have accomplished that. We'll have Celtics and Bulls. Give me one more pair.

I didn't say anything about Fisher... was just posing a link to that article.

I agree we could use a vet like him, but not at the salary he was making. However, would he ever play for us? Assuming Rubio is healthy, that gives us Rubio, Puke Ridnour, and JJB that all play PG.

OK, CW, I didn't catch that it was a link. Regardless, there is obviously more to Derek Fisher's game than stats. His best scoring years were the two when he played for Golden State. None of his numbers are impressive: 8.7 pts, 3 assist, 2 rebounds and a steal a game - these are not HOF stats.

So, forgive me, my brother, from jumping you a bit. I do get tired of the "haters" sometimes - OK, often. Success does have a tendency to breed contempt. Usually, the contemptous are also clueless. You, obviously, are not. (Am I sucking up enough yet?)

For me, it's not so much about Fisher getting traded as it about that I wish he could have gone out on his own. I thought it was the end of an era when he left for GS, then he returned and so did the Laker fortunes. Sure, they got Gasol and Odom, but would they have had similar success with another PG? I tend to think that the only answer is an emphatic "NO!"

For you guys, even if he only played 20 min or so per game, I think it would benefit your young team.


Help me out here, too, please - what is the problem with Beasley? Is it that he is having trouble with coming off the bench or what? You might recall that the Lakers had a somewhat similar situation with Odom. Lamar had never, ever in his entire life NOT been a starter. He comes off the bench and has one of his most effective seasons ever - if not the best! I've picked up and dropped Beasley twice - on each of my fantasy teams! If he is making me that crazy as one of my role guys, what is he doing to you?

themerryprankster wrote:
But that is irrelevant because he would have been a big baby and not reported with us, just like he did with Houston! That is why we are all ripping him.

BonK wrote:
Fact.

I also chuckle at the idea that Fisher would be straightening Love out. That isn't who he is.

Fisher was the worst starting PG in the NBA last two-three years.
What's the point to talk about him. He sucks.

OK, I'm over it (pretty much so, anyway)!

College Wolf wrote:

Fisher was a solid point guard years ago. I can't say I'd want him now, especially not at his current salary.

But yeah, I'm fine with moving on from this.

College Wolf wrote:

themerryprankster wrote:

Yeah, Fisher never would have reported to the TWolves either. No doubt about that.

BonK wrote:

Because Beasley is capable of shooting you out of games if you let him stay out there and he isn't making his shots. Of the players mentioned, the only other guy who can potentially do that is Barea. And I don't think Barea would get as much playing time if we had any guards other than Ridnour that were worth a damn.

Another factor is that I can see how someone like Adelman probably gets extremely annoyed by Beasley's personality. Always goofing around and cracking jokes. Whereas Webster/Tolliver/Ridnour/etc are more mature and model teammates/coach's pets type guys.

I think Beasley absolutely needs a short leash. I would rather have plain 'ol terrible Wes on the court than Bad Beas.