daddyfatsax wrote:
Absolutely.

Anyone else getting sick of Kahn using the 'age' excuse kahnstantly? Experience is the crutch. I get it for guys like Wes and other 1st/2nd year guys to a certain degree, but I think it's time we all start to accept that Beasley is probably who he is at this point in his career. Look at Rubio! He is 21 and is already commanding double and triple teams and larger defenders because he can pick apart the NBA game.

I think Beasley's shooting will improve for sure this season yet, but his style of play will always be a wannabe scorer/shot creator who doesn't always operate in the flow of the offense. I do like his all around focus this year. He has made some nice defensive plays and has been good on the boards. But when he isn't doing that he is getting stripped of the ball or getting his 4th foul in the first half. He is part of what is by-and-by the worst starting 5 in the league.

Overall he is probably just too polarizing to be a long term answer at the 3.

WallyWorld wrote: Hitting nail on head.

P.S. No way Martell Webster is our SG savior. We need a trade here for a real SG that isn't injury prone.

College Wolf wrote:
Oh of course not. it was meant as an homage to last year when many thought Martell was going to blow up after he played well in the pre-season.

I like Martell more than most, though. It's his health that sucks. He is a solid role player when healthy and I'd love him camping out bombing Rubio-delivered daggers from the corner.

In general though...assuming we don't trade Beasley, what do you guys think we should do with the guy? Sign and trade? Just let him walk? I mean, if the guy continues to play like this after his injury heals, it is not overdramatic to say he does more harm than good for the team. Tonight is going to be interesting.

Assuming we don't trade him (another Kahn FAIL), then we definitely let him walk as a FA. He will want decent money, at least, more than the MLE for sure. And there's no way I'd even give him the MLE. So yeah, I can't imagine he'll be around next season.

At this point I'd even take Beas for The Shimmy straight up. If you have to chuck, at least do it outside the arc.

czaras wrote:
Love this post. Howl

What's funny is that if we had taken the approach with Beasley that we took with Williams, we probably aren't having this discussion. Beasley at the 4 off the bench, sliding Love to the 5. Tolliver starts as the 3. By the way, Tolliver is the only guy whose versatility is actually a good thing, the rest of the guys play too many positions offensively and not enough defensively; Tolliver is the other way around. Does pretty much the same thing offensively, hustles, sets picks, moves the ball, takes good open looks, and on D he'll play post, perimeter, whatever. Keep that man in the starting lineup.

As I've said before, while Williams and Beasley are pretty similar players at this point in terms of skillsets, Williams' decision making is much better. I actually think it puts him as a more athletic version of Tolliver offensively (though he's nowhere close defensively). Beasley's mindset would be great as a bench scorer.

Given that we have Randolph, Beasley, Tolliver, Love, and Williams as natural PFs, and given that Tolliver can defend the 3 and doesn't suck possessions, the logical thing to do is to swap him and Beas and see if Beas and Williams can play next to each other given that Williams seems like a pretty unselfish offensive player.

This still leaves Randolph in no-man's land, although I would hope that he keeps working on his hustle, focus, and post defense. He could be a center even without putting on a ton of weight if he just focused and learned defensive footwork and to be aggressive early in possessions to prevent the other team's big man from gaining deep position. KG is not all that much bulkier than Randolph, though he's much stronger, or at least plays much stronger. Some of that perceived strength comes from his aggression though.

As for Beasley, I think he'd actually thrive without the pressure on him. He is not a guy you want to have the ball at the end of the game, but is definitely a guy I could see with Ridnour carrying the team through chunks of the 2nd and 3rd quarters and putting up huge numbers.

NOTE: When I say "the logical thing" I mean for Adelman. Since he's the only one we can trust to do what's logical.

The logical thing from Kahn's perspective is to trade any combination of Pekovic, Beasley, and Randolph to a team in need of scoring and front court depth for something of value. Kahn will not do this since it would be logical.

College Wolf wrote:
At this minute I'd say Beasley has very little trade value except in a our crap for your crap type trade. He won't get the ML either unless his plays much much better.

WallyWorld wrote:
yea...oops. That was me

is martell coming back this year? that sure would help at SG, but wouldnt fix it.

beasley prob just does need to go....its to bad cuz i wanted him to succeed here, but he just really doesnt seem to fit our team.

I doubt Beasley has much individual value but I still think some of these guys can be packaged together for a (most likely overpaid) vet on a team that is looking to go young. For instance Stephen Jackson. He's playing poorly right now, he's old, he's disgruntled, and owed $10 million next season. But is there anyone who wouldn't trade let's say Beasley and Pek for Jax and a 2nd round pick? I would do it in a heartbeat. Having cap space is no longer a reality for the wolves assuming Love signs an extension which we all hope he does.

If Beasley isn't traded, I hope they let him walk in free agency considering he'll probably want more money than any of us would be willing to give him.

As for Webster, he is quite possibly the most injury prone player in the entire league. The only guy that can match him on sheer number of reoccuring injuries is T-Mac.