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Beasley has been brutal this year + Trade him suggestions 1 year 4 months ago #75658

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Thought some of ya'll might find this interesting. I suspected Beasley has been bad this year, but I didn't realize he has been THIS bad. (P.S. And that is why he has no trade value, like most everyone else on our team. :( )

Then there’s Derrick Williams. Speaking strictly as a Timberwolves fan, I’ll be the first to say that Williams has not been amazing. He’s made his share of bone-headed plays. But he should be playing more. A lot more. And the primary reason is that for all his rookie faults, he’s still having a decent season. And, far more importantly, he is so much better than Michael Beasley that…well, I have no words:

Raw Stats
Min WP48 Wins PTS REB AST TO BLK STL PF
Beasley 194 -.114 -0.5 20.0 9.2 1.7 4.2 0.5 0.7 4.5
Williams 106 .142 0.3 19.5 11.3 1.4 4.1 0.0 2.3 5.0
Average SF 146 .099 0.3 19.1 7.3 3.2 2.4 0.8 1.5 3.7
Average F 144 .099 0.3 19.4 9.4 2.8 2.4 1.0 1.5 4.2

Shooting Efficiency
FG% 2FG% 3FG% FT% eFG% TS% FGA PPS FTA
Beasley 40.2% 40.3% 40.0% 41.2% 42.5% 42.9% 21.5 0.93 4.2
Williams 51.5% 61.9% 33.3% 41.7% 57.6% 56.2% 14.9 1.30 5.4
Average SF 42.6% 45.1% 36.7% 77.6% 48.1% 52.4% 16.3 1.17 4.4
Average F 44.9% 47.7% 35.1% 73.9% 48.8% 52.7% 16.4 1.19 4.7

Note that I am comparing Beasley to SFs and Williams to a combinations of the average SF/PF; Williams WP48 would be higher if we treated him as an SF and Beasley’s would be even lower if we treated him as a PF (see Calculating Wins Produced for the section on how we adjust for position).

Basiically, if you gave all of Beasley’s minutes to Williams, the Wolves could easily have won 4-5 games by now. No, I’m not joking. Beasley is truly earth-shatteringly bad. To put in perspective what a selfish chucker Beasley is, he ranks 8th among small forwards the NBA in FGA per 48 minutes (50 minutes minimum), but fifty-first in true shooting. No, not 51st in the NBA, 51st among small forwards. That means that essentially all of the starting SFs and two-thirds of the back-up SFs in the league are shooting better than he is, but he’s shooting 22 shots per 48. And I don’t keep stats for “contested 22-footers per 48″ but having watched every Timberwolves game I’m going to guess he leads the league by a fat margin, ahead of even Kobe (I’m guessing that’s the reason that he’s 25th among small forwards at getting to the line, despite all those shots). Oh, yeah, and he turns the ball over a shit ton. In short, Beasley is the very definition of a player that shoots you out of games. Every single time they choose to iso Beasley instead of just letting Ridnour or Rubio create off the dribble / pick-n-roll, a Timberwolf pup dies in the wild.

Williams is as turnover prone as Beasley, but I can chalk Williams’ TOs up to rookie mistakes and a general rookie “over-eager” attitude, which he may learn from. Most of his TOs come from ill-advised passes. Beasley, however, is a third-year player; the vast majority of his turnovers come from him trying to “create a shot” (a phrase that I guarantee I’ll be ranting about in a future article) and I don’t expect him to change anytime soon.
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Re: Beasley has been brutal this year 1 year 4 months ago #75661

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Yea can't disagree with that, Beasley has been terrible. His head must not be in the game because a lot of his shots are awful bricks or don't even hit the rim. Basically he's playing exactly like McCants did his last year on the wolves.
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Re: Beasley has been brutal this year 1 year 4 months ago #75662

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roundhouse wrote:
Yea can't disagree with that, Beasley has been terrible. His head must not be in the game because a lot of his shots are awful bricks or don't even hit the rim. Basically he's playing exactly like McCants did his last year on the wolves.
No doubt. How depressing. :(

That's why we need to dump guys like him, Wes, Ridnour, whatever else for a legitimate SG as soon as freakin possible! C'mon Kahn!

Not all NBA GM's are smart like Presti and Morey. I believe there has GOT to be someone that will send us a real SG for a bunch of our guys. Overpay if we have to, most everyone besides Love/Rubio/D-Charge sucks anyways.
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Re: Beasley has been brutal this year 1 year 4 months ago #75717

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We should contact teams tat have problems scoring. Beasley is still regarded as a good scorer, altough he's just a volume one at BEST and a chucker usually. A quick look at the bottom of the offensive ranking:

Toronto 87.50
Washington 86.71
New Orleans 86.50
New Jersey 85.44
Detroit 84.25

So out of all thos eteams, which player would be interesting for the Wolves to trade Beasley for?

Detroit has no one, especially considering the big contracts of Gordon and Stuckey. Yuck. Nick Young IMO is not the answer. I wouldn;t deal with Washington. That leaves us:

TOR - Leandro Barbosa
NOH - Marco Bellinelli
NJN - Anthony Morrow

Personally, I'd absolutely love Anthony Morrow on this team. he is a legit SG with 3pt range. I'm not sure NJ would do a Morrow/Beasley swap though.

Bellinelli is intriguing. His FG% is not so good this year. I believe in the euro connection with Rubio - I think he would be a solid SG for the Wolves.

Barbosa is a bit undersized but has legit range, playmaking abilities and is a good vet. Altough out of the 3 he's the least desired IMO.
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Re: Beasley has been brutal this year 1 year 4 months ago #75718

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Barbosa has been worse than Beasley this year and is a crappier version of Barea. I would have to say no unless there were other players involved.

Morrow is probably out of the question. I doubt the Nets would have any interest.

I like the Bellinelli idea even though he's been shooting horribly so far this year. I think this trade would interest the Hornets because they have Gordon now and just traded for Xavier Henry. Makes sense for both teams. Beasley for Bellinelli and a 2nd round pick. It looks a lot better when you think about the fact the wolves only gave up 2 2nd round picks to get Beasley in the first place.
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Re: Beasley has been brutal this year 1 year 4 months ago #75730

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I just noticed that Beasley is shooting 44% on free throws so far this season. That's worse than Deandre Jordan :laugh:
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Wrong thread... Beasley has been brutal 1 year 4 months ago #75739

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Barbosa: 27% shooting for $7.6 Million per year. No thank you.

How about Jerrod Bayless? Combo guard, shoot first, plays off the ball, 6'3", young, and can create his own shot. Injured right now, but still...

Beasley plus a 2nd rounder for Bayless. Toronto needs scoring. 2nd rounder is meaningless. Good fit all around.
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Re: Wrong thread... Beasley has been brutal 1 year 4 months ago #75745

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Morrow... hell yes! That would be amazing. I wouldn't believe the Nyets would ever do that, but then again they have Marshonn Brooks playing some pretty big minutes. That would be a sweet deal for us.

I'd take Bayless or Belinelli as backup options. We just need a SG so desperately.

And Beasley sucks.
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Re: Beasley has been brutal this year + Trade him suggestions 1 year 4 months ago #75753

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Ball stoppers are never a good thing. Thus Arenas, Ellis, Beasley, JR Smith, Jamal Crawford, Nick Young, and the rest of the slew of shoot-first ball hogs (Iverson and Marbury included) ultimately chuck at the expense of their team. The truly great scorers would always involve their teammates for the sake of involving their teammates (see Chris Paul, Michael Jordan, Steve Nash). Just because you CAN score 30+ per game doesn't mean you should. Sometimes you need to move the ball through your teammates so they feel good about hustling.

Beasley sitting in favor of Tolliver might be the best thing to happen to this team so far. If we would only get one more player (SG) who can create but won't do so selfishly and at the expense of the team, we can turn the corner. Beasley is not without value to our team even, just that in a framework where ball movement stagnates (as it does with Luke) he tends to become a chucker. I still like him as a front court player catching the ball in position to score or make a move.
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Re: Beasley has been brutal this year + Trade him suggestions 1 year 4 months ago #75756

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wolfenstein wrote:
Ball stoppers are never a good thing. Thus Arenas, Ellis, Beasley, JR Smith, Jamal Crawford, Nick Young, and the rest of the slew of shoot-first ball hogs (Iverson and Marbury included) ultimately chuck at the expense of their team. The truly great scorers would always involve their teammates for the sake of involving their teammates (see Chris Paul, Michael Jordan, Steve Nash). Just because you CAN score 30+ per game doesn't mean you should. Sometimes you need to move the ball through your teammates so they feel good about hustling.

Beasley sitting in favor of Tolliver might be the best thing to happen to this team so far. If we would only get one more player (SG) who can create but won't do so selfishly and at the expense of the team, we can turn the corner. Beasley is not without value to our team even, just that in a framework where ball movement stagnates (as it does with Luke) he tends to become a chucker. I still like him as a front court player catching the ball in position to score or make a move.
Word dude, very well spoken.

Beasley would be perfect, absolutely perfect, as a 6th man super sub for us off the bench. We've all already mentioned that before though, as we know. Too bad I highly doubt he'd ever go for that. He thinks he is so much better than he truly is. His shot chucking wouldn't hurt us nearly as much if he was "leading" the second unit. I bet he'd get a bad attitude about it though and then just poison the team. We're much better off with Tolliver and D-Charge taking his starter's minutes. Oh well, Beasley is going to be a FA this off-season and I doubt he'll be back. No loss, but too bad we couldn't/won't trade him for anything decent.

Now if we can just get rid of Wes and get a real freakin SG on this team!!! :angry:
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Re: Beasley has been brutal this year + Trade him suggestions 1 year 4 months ago #75759

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Beasley looks extra bad when in the game with Rubio because Ricky gets easy shots for everybody and it looks super ugly when Beas stops the ball and takes a dumb shot. Beasley can be somewhat useful when Ricky isn't in the game though because we don't have anyone else that can score when things break down. So I think the obvious moves are that Rubio should be in the starting lineup and Beasley should come off the bench.

Or I would gladly just take a SG version of Beasley. Beasley for Nick Young. SGs who can create but aren't selfish fall under the "good player" category and we're not going to get one unless they're willing to trade D-Charge. Which they aren't. So let's trade a flawed SF (Wes/Beas) for a flawed SG.
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roundhouse wrote:
Beasley looks extra bad when in the game with Rubio because Ricky gets easy shots for everybody and it looks super ugly when Beas stops the ball and takes a dumb shot. Beasley can be somewhat useful when Ricky isn't in the game though because we don't have anyone else that can score when things break down. So I think the obvious moves are that Rubio should be in the starting lineup and Beasley should come off the bench.

Or I would gladly just take a SG version of Beasley. Beasley for Nick Young. SGs who can create but aren't selfish fall under the "good player" category and we're not going to get one unless they're willing to trade D-Charge. Which they aren't. So let's trade a flawed SF (Wes/Beas) for a flawed SG.
That would work just fine for me.

If we are going to have a flawed shot-chucker on the team, let's at least have him be a real legit SG.
Question: "Hey Antoine Walker, why do you shoot so many 3's?"

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Re: Beasley has been brutal this year + Trade him suggestions 1 year 4 months ago #75775

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That blurb you posted is pretty telling, CW.

I mean, the guy has had a miserable start to the season. This is no mystery. He could pick it up, he could not. I don't think he is necessarily going against Rick's wishes. Rick is trying to put Mike in different positions to attack and score off the dribble but it isn't working from Mike's end.

Still wishing we would have signed Jamal Crawford. He is what we want in Beasley. Rough start with Portland, but he fits the mold of a creator.

I guess Martell is our season savior once again ;)
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Re: Beasley has been brutal this year + Trade him suggestions 1 year 4 months ago #75777

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Yeah to tell you the truth I would be somewhat pleased with Webster playing.... but he has to get healthy and stay healthy.

Just play Love at SG!
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Re: Beasley has been brutal this year + Trade him suggestions 1 year 4 months ago #75779

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WallyWorld wrote:
That blurb you posted is pretty telling, CW.

I mean, the guy has had a miserable start to the season. This is no mystery. He could pick it up, he could not. I don't think he is necessarily going against Rick's wishes. Rick is trying to put Mike in different positions to attack and score off the dribble but it isn't working from Mike's end.

Still wishing we would have signed Jamal Crawford. He is what we want in Beasley. Rough start with Portland, but he fits the mold of a creator.

I guess Martell is our season savior once again ;)

Yea, the problem is you can't just keep developing 8 guys each year. You know what they say, when you develop 8 players you develop none.
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