roundhouse wrote:
Can't really disagree with you on this, but I will say (and ridiculous as this sounds now, it still holds true) that after Wall (sure thing) and Turner (almost a sure thing), there was a big gap. You had the super young guy with the attitude and the athleticism but not the production (Favors), you had the super young guy with the athleticism and production but not the attitude (Cousins), and you had the older guy with the attitude, athleticism, and production (Wes).

Looking back it would be hard to have as poor a projection for a player with the same success at college and the outside scoring as well as being a high flyer. Wes at Syracuse was categorically more productive, more consistent, and a better and more versatile college player than Harrison Barnes has been this year. The biggest difference is age, so maybe there's more to that than I give credit.

You are right about all of the strategy and posturing failures of Kahn. If I remember right, Sacto threatened to take and keep Wes at #5 and Kahn tipped his hand and ended up panicking because he was afraid of getting stuck with Cousins. Given the fragile state of our team at that point, I can't totally disagree with that logic except that in retrospect we almost certainly could have got back great value from someone for Cousins. Still, would you have forgiven Kahn if Cousins ran Love out of town, knowing what we know now?

Food for thought anyway. I don't disagree with your retrospective, I just think that at the time Wes was not as unappealing as he is now.

roundhouse wrote:
Hawes = Center
Brand = F/C
Vucevic = Center
Thadeus Young = SF/PF

They don't really have a guy soaking up minutes after Brand, and Brand has injury issues. We could throw in 5 2nd rounders and the rights to every Euro who's not over here and that guy from Qatar, Tanguy! ...I mean, what the hell.

Seriously, my point is that they would definitely consider Williams for Turner. My guess is that our irrational FO and fan base would consider trading the venerable Derrick Williams and his 8.7 ppg to be completely heretical and would have my head on a pike for that.

No, you're right. At the time I remember most people assuming he'd at least be a competent role player that could stretch the floor and play solid defense. Never did I imagine he'd be...so emo.

wolfenstein wrote:
Yea, I was just exaggerating, messing with you. You know I'm on board.

Yes I could see the fans thinking it is a terrible trade. Most casual fans probably think D-Charge is having a great year because of the occasional highlight alley-oop and nights when he is making his 3's.

wes just attempted 0 FTs in 34 min!!! holly crap!! epic fail.....

wolfenstein wrote:
There might have been 1 or 2 of them that he didn't need to shoot, but in general, he should have been shooting all those 3 pointers because they came out of ball movement and finding an open Wes. He has to shoot and hit them, otherwise what good is he out there?

I will give him this, he did hit the boards last night and made a contribution in another area for once. The bad thing about him is that typically if he is not hitting his shots, he adds nothing else to the game.

That is one thing you notice about Rubio. He is running around all over the place and making contributions and effecting the game in so many ways.

With the way Wes handles the ball, he is only going to get dunks off passes, not off his own drives. That was a sweet alley oop dunk from Rubio last night. I was actually surprised to see how high-flying Wes was on that play.

Tod Murphy wrote: Wes doesn't need to dribble. We are not asking him for ankle breaking crossover's. We are asking him to receive the ball 20ft out, make a move to the hoop, dribble once maybe twice, and take it aggresively to the rim. My god, HE IS 6'7" 210 lbs and supposily one of the better athletes in the NBA. Everyone say's his natural position is the 3 not the 2. This is what the 3 does. Especially when you shoot 3 for 14. Figure you shot out at the free throw line. Its not that difficult!!

No_Love_Sessions wrote: HAHAHAHAHA wow, he sucks SO BAD!!!

D-League. Cut him. Trade him. ANYTHING!