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Re: Game Thread: Wolves @ Hawks 1/14/12 1 year 4 months ago #76489

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Right, but you know you can't have it both ways. If he fails it's his fault but if he succeeds he is just in the right place at the right time? That's crap.

He's had a pretty mediocre track record by volume, to be sure, but the Adelman signing and the Rubio trade and pick are notable exceptions and it's fair to give credit where credit's due.

The point I was trying to make was that it only takes a handful of good moves to be a contender, if the good moves you make involve really good people.

For instance, Mayo for Love turned out in our favor after an eternity of bungling similar trades. That was a good trade for McHale, maybe his only good trade ever. That doesn't erase his years of ineptitude, but without that trade and the KG draft pick, McHale is "find him and throw him into an unmarked van" awful instead of "worst GM in the league by a wide margin but at least he suffered the happy coincidence of loving big men named Kevin."
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Re: Game Thread: Wolves @ Hawks 1/14/12 1 year 4 months ago #76491

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I'll give Kahn credit on the Rubio trade even though it was the Wizards who were heavily shopping that pick. They thought they were going to contend that year and desperately wanted some role players.

That's literally the only good thing he has done as GM so far. Make no mistake, Kahn did not hire Adelman, Glen did.
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Re: Game Thread: Wolves @ Hawks 1/14/12 1 year 4 months ago #76492

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Fair enough, I tend to believe you on the last point.
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Re: Game Thread: Wolves @ Hawks 1/14/12 1 year 4 months ago #76494

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roundhouse wrote:
I'll give Kahn credit on the Rubio trade even though it was the Wizards who were heavily shopping that pick. They thought they were going to content that year and desperately wanted some role players.

That's literally the only good thing he has done as GM so far. Make no mistake, Kahn did not hire Adelman, Glen did.
Exactly. And even then he lucked into the trade for the draft pick AND getting Rubio.

Ok, so I guess I give him some credit for actually going through with it. But his success rate is still at like 3%, if that.
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Re: Game Thread: Wolves @ Hawks 1/14/12 1 year 4 months ago #76496

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Before that trade with Washington, Kahn made a decision to go and get another top draft pick. How do we know? Because he told us. I think he wanted to communicate and connect with the fan base at that time. Of course, for a lot of the stuff he should have just kept his mouth shut (i.e. "We have to trade Big Al").

After making that decision to find a way to add another draft pick/top player in the draft, Washington became the known team that was willing to deal. I don't know who else was trying to get that pick from Washington and what was offered, but Kahn was clearly one GM that made a decision that year to get another pick and then when the target came up, he was the guy who pulled it off. If Washington was so easy to trade with and wanted nothing, why did no other team get the pick?

Kahn deserves credit for making a decision to get a pick and then pulling it off.

Draft night was obviously a different story with Rubio dropping and then Kahn choking with the #6 pick. As mentioned, seemingly no way to blow the Rubio pick at that point with both 5 and 6. To everyone else in the world, it also seemed that there was also no way to pass on picking Curry, but of course our beloved Kahn did...
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Re: Game Thread: Wolves @ Hawks 1/14/12 1 year 4 months ago #76499

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Curry was the consensus, but I wanted DeRozan. I know there were other people who did as well. Either one of those guys is infinitely better than Jonny effin Flynn. As good as Curry is, the concerns about him might finally be coming to fruition. He is so small and frail that he's going to get hurt A LOT.
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Re: Game Thread: Wolves @ Hawks 1/14/12 1 year 4 months ago #76502

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I was hoping Harden will be available at five.
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Re: Game Thread: Wolves @ Hawks 1/14/12 1 year 4 months ago #76514

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There is a thread in the forums somewhere here showing who everyone wanted for the Wolves. I think we all ranked our Top 10 guys that we wanted to draft. I think it might be in the "Around the NBA" forum. I bet someone could search for it and find it if they want.

I know I really loved Rubio, Harden, and Tyreke Evans that draft.
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Re: Game Thread: Wolves @ Hawks 1/14/12 1 year 4 months ago #76532

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I wanted Taylor Griffin. I was hoping he would be to Blake what Harvey was to Horace.
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Re: Game Thread: Wolves @ Hawks 1/14/12 1 year 4 months ago #76536

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The wolves should get Robin Lopez, Taylor Griffin, Jarron Collins, and Marcus Morris.
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Re: Game Thread: Wolves @ Hawks 1/14/12 1 year 4 months ago #76538

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roundhouse wrote:
The wolves should get Robin Lopez, Taylor Griffin, Jarron Collins, and Marcus Morris.
One of them is destined to pan out in greatness.

Can we also get Jeremy Pargo?

We don't need a Gasol though... it's better to "develop" our talent ourselves.
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Re: Game Thread: Wolves @ Hawks 1/14/12 1 year 4 months ago #76544

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roundhouse wrote:
Curry was the consensus, but I wanted DeRozan. I know there were other people who did as well. Either one of those guys is infinitely better than Jonny effin Flynn. As good as Curry is, the concerns about him might finally be coming to fruition. He is so small and frail that he's going to get hurt A LOT.

I always felt that as guard #2 of a 3 guard rotation with Rubio and a true SG, Curry would have worked well. That way you can go small, he can play a little point, versatile.

Derozan would have been fine as well. Or even if we had taken Jodie Meeks with our Wellington pick. Or Chase Buddinger. That way McHale could have gone yachting in Minnesota on the crisp waters of Lake Minnetonka.

Seriously there were even other PGs who could have worked better as a combo guards with Rubio.
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Re: Game Thread: Wolves @ Hawks 1/14/12 1 year 4 months ago #76548

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Kahn blows. Any GM with half a brain would have drafted Rubio at #5 overall or lower. OK yeah, he got the pick from the Wizards, but that was also a no-brainer trade since Miller and Foye were GOD AWFUL and going to be free agents.

And even if Kahn got lucky that Rubio fell to us (he did), there's NO WAY ON EARTH that he could have passed up on Rubio with two consecutive picks.

So yeah, he picked Rubio which pretty much every Wolves fan in the entire world would have done. That's his best move as GM, by far. I don't give him too much credit for it though.

Stop. Why didn't Memphis took him? Why didn't any other team get him? For a good while he was debated as Nr.2, but no one took the risk to get him (because there was big uncertenty 1. 'cause of his willingness to play right away - obviously not without reason - and 2. because of his ability to evolve his talents) and Kahn made the effort. This was a well calculated, risky move. So: "Gib dem König, was dem König gebührt."

And surely h's not the best GM in the league, but considering, that Minny hasn't a history of sucessfull GMs, for our standard he's not to bad. Actually, since Adelman's here, he didn't make any bad conversation...
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Re: Game Thread: Wolves @ Hawks 1/14/12 1 year 4 months ago #76579

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Kahn blows. Any GM with half a brain would have drafted Rubio at #5 overall or lower. OK yeah, he got the pick from the Wizards, but that was also a no-brainer trade since Miller and Foye were GOD AWFUL and going to be free agents.

And even if Kahn got lucky that Rubio fell to us (he did), there's NO WAY ON EARTH that he could have passed up on Rubio with two consecutive picks.

So yeah, he picked Rubio which pretty much every Wolves fan in the entire world would have done. That's his best move as GM, by far. I don't give him too much credit for it though.

Stop. Why didn't Memphis took him? Why didn't any other team get him? For a good while he was debated as Nr.2, but no one took the risk to get him (because there was big uncertenty 1. 'cause of his willingness to play right away - obviously not without reason - and 2. because of his ability to evolve his talents) and Kahn made the effort. This was a well calculated, risky move. So: "Gib dem König, was dem König gebührt."

And surely h's not the best GM in the league, but considering, that Minny hasn't a history of sucessfull GMs, for our standard he's not to bad. Actually, since Adelman's here, he didn't make any bad conversation...
My point is no other team had TWO consecutive picks. Therefore, there is simply NO WAY you can't take Rubio with one of them, because you still had another pick for a player for that upcoming season. Even if Kahn didn't want Rubio, passing on him twice in a row would have been the most idiotic move in the draft by far.
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Re: Game Thread: Wolves @ Hawks 1/14/12 1 year 4 months ago #76593

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Kahn moves taken in an itemized fashion are no worse than very many gainfully employed GM's. The #1 problem with Kahn is that his personality is so toxic that the rest of the league won't deal with him unless it is a last resort.
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