wolfenstein wrote: That was the best trade EVA.

I wish I would have thought of it...

roundhouse wrote:
Hey man, ease off the noob with the negativity. You have to work your way to that point.

That said, yes you are right that KG was/is waaaaaay tougher than Love in the paint.

Love is a better offensive player. It's that simple, he's a better rebounder, a better shooter, and more assertive offensively.

KG did tend to settle for J's against more physical guys, but he asserted himself on Defense. He was a good rebounder but I don't remember him as the offensive rebounding force that Love is. KG did get a ton of rebounds because he has a wingspan like an Andean Condor though.

Side by side at this point it's a landslide for KG. However, given that Love has a good work ethic and the type of game that doesn't rely on overwhelming his opponents with athleticism, I think his game will age well and in 2032 we might possibly look back and say that you'd take Love's career over KG's. Hard to judge a lifetime achievement when Love is only 23 though.

College Wolf wrote:
Just because the whole NBA is a bunch of teen girl babies doesn't mean I have to like it.

wolfenstein wrote:
I said please

But anyways, there is no denying K-Lav is an amazing offensive rebounder, but I question his rebounding stats overall. They are boosted by stat padding and the team he is on. If he is really a once in a generation rebounder, why is he not even leading the league in rebounds? That honor goes to Dwight Howard. So is Howard also a once in a generation rebounder? I'm confused.

K-Lav simply a better offensive player than KG? Hardly. KG averaged 20 ppg or more 9 straight season. K-Lav has got a long way to go. K-Love's best shooting season so far was last year when he shot 47% from the field. KG shot less than 47% one time in his entire career, during the strike shortened 1999 season. The only thing you said there that rings true is that Love is more assertive. KG was unselfish to a fault. It's not always a good thing to jack up a bunch of shots though, just look at some of K-Lav's clunker shooting nights he's had recently.

During KG's prime when he was playing at an MVP caliber every single season he was being guarded by the likes of Duncan, Sheed, Shaq. Love just got owned by Amir Johnson a few games ago.

I'm done.

/end rant

Comeon guys, you've crushed me. I don't know what I shall do.
I'm not here to steal anyone's thunder. I didn't know KG sported such a well manicured crowd of disciples. He's a great player that left Minny in his dust for the pay check. KLove wants to stay here as far as we know. You gonna support KLove or not. If it's NOT, then maybe he'll move on too. You gotta show love for that which you have currently. Otherwise you're just here to flame or scare away newcomers. In English that means, this a fan forum, with a supposed higher standard than canishoopis. I can play the "dozens" if need be but would much rather just hang with some real TWolve fans! Buenas noches amigos!

roundhouse wrote:
I don't disagree with you, but Love has a consistent deep shot that KG never had. 3 pointers are more efficient if you make them because, you know... They count as 3.

The competition thing is valid, however I would argue there isn't much padding going on this year (or as much, at least) since Rubio is an outstanding rebounder and Tolliver is getting more minutes along with Williams who isn't a bad rebounder. As a team we play better defense and rebound more collectively than last year. So I still think it's fair to acknowledge Love as a better rebounder. If anything KG got a ton of rebounds because of his condor-arms and at that point in time offensive rebounding wasn't very popular (I'm thinking 2000-2004) in the NBA, everyone would just bolt for the defensive end after the shot went up. So I would be surprised if Love isn't getting more contested rebounds than KG did when he was having his huge rebounding years.

Plus KG played alongside T-Hud, lots of misses to rebound...

But like I said, KG is a better all around player at this point in his career, but Love is very good offensively and rebounding wise. If nothing else it's fair to say that Love is about as good of a rebounder now as KG was at his peak, and he is almost as good of a scorer now as KG was at his peak (there was one year I think he averaged 25+ wasn't there?). Outside of defensive rebounding, Love is not close to as good as KG was on D in his least effective defensive season.

K-Lav is not a better offensive player than KG was. The only thing Love does better than KG is shoot 3's.

hoopnuts wrote: No need to get mad or take it personally. It's just Roundhouse. Don't listen to anything he says.

However, KG didn't "leave us in his dust." He was basically forced to leave by Taylor. If anything, he stayed in Minnesota TOO LONG.

I get that you are from Oregon so you irrationally think Ridnour and Love are godlike basketball players, but you said Love is better than KG 3 seperate times after being rebuffed by multiple people each time.

Your response each time was to feign innocence and then repeat your original claim that Love is superior to KG. So either you are doing an excellent job of trolling or you are just a bit daft.

Either way, I think the negativity you received from myself and others was warranted. You can't just go around pushing senseless arguments with no evidence to back your assertion and not expect a backlash.

hoopnuts wrote:
I'm not really sure you understood what happened with KG. He was shipped out of town by ownership. He didn't want to leave, in fact they had to sell him on the trade because he wanted to stay in Minnesota. His contract was crippling the T-Wolves and since both Flip and McHale were incompetent, they never surrounded him with adequate talent or a competent coach.

College Wolf wrote:
Love has a talent for going back up quick with the ball inside. His 3 point shooting also makes him a much tougher cover than KG, in my opinion. It's close in any case.

wolfenstein wrote:
HA! Ya boy might be tossed right now, but you sir, are on opium!
Can you imagine KG (of 2003-2008) on Love in the playoffs? Love is a much easier cover. Body him outside, he can't create separation or drive past you. Battle him for rebounds and box him out because unless he's in the paint he's pretty easy to cover. The opposite of Griffin, who is easy to cover if you are quick enough to match his first step (Duncan, Sheed, KG in their days) because he can't shoot. The complete and utter lack of a completeness of these PF's games doesn't even compare to era of the 2000's with KG, Duncan, and Sheed nor does it compare to the 90's with Barkley and Malone (and KEMP!).

roundhouse wrote:
Don't give me the troll line unless you got some good facts to back it up. I find that pretty insulting. That's the MO of wusses over at the other site. I'm a fan and I get jacked just like you seem to be now when you hear someone talkin down a fav player. KLove should get a 5 yr deal because he means just as much to Minny as does Rose to Chicago and Lebron to Miami. Capice !! That's not a senseless arguement. Comparing him to KG in the context I mentioned isn't unreasonable. I admitted I know little about KG game to game stats while he was in Minny. I watched him in the first round playoffs where he appeared to be playing soft and not accepting the role of go to guy. Just my opinion.

daddyfatsax wrote:
Daddy, KG in his prime could guard just about anybody at the 4/5. I regret that he didn't have a chance to match up with Olajuwon and Robinson in their primes.

That being said, KG was a very methodical offensive player and he also worked out of the post a lot vs. Love who moves more because he is working the pick and pop etc.

I don't think Love was "obviously better" but I don't think the offensive talents are a landslide for KG like the Daddy would seem to suggest. It's a close call and I give edge to Love, which is my prerogative.

wolfenstein wrote:
Hakeem is my favorite player of all time. Man he's so underrated. Imagine how different it is/was to be a kid and to grow up on Hakeem, The Admiral, MJ, Scottie, Barkley, Malone, GP, etc. and then to be enjoy KG, Ray, Duncan, Kidd, etc. VS. kids today who aspire to the Lebron's and Dwight's of the world... Glad I'm not 18-25 right now, what a shitty group of players to grow up with.