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Re: Game Thread: Spurs @ Wolves 1/27/12 1 year 3 months ago #77789

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The Spurs badly need to blow it up. They are going to get eaten in the playoffs again.

Agreed. Duncan needs to call it a career soon.

Stern could arrange for a consolation playoff game between the Spurs and Celtics right before the finals. After the game, KG and Duncan walk off the court together and call it a career at the same time.

Make it a 4 team tourney with the Mavs & Pistons so Kidd and Ben Wallace can participate. They are looking their age as well.

Oh man, at least Duncan and KG are productive. Kidd can move a little. Ben Wallace might as well be playing on his knees.

It's crazy to think about all these guys who will be retiring in the next couple of years. It'll be the end of an era, except for Kobe who's still got some years left in him. And the way Ray Allen is going he can play until he's 45.

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Re: Game Thread: Spurs @ Wolves 1/27/12 1 year 3 months ago #77792

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roundhouse wrote:
daddyfatsax wrote:
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daddyfatsax wrote:
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daddyfatsax wrote:
The Spurs badly need to blow it up. They are going to get eaten in the playoffs again.

Agreed. Duncan needs to call it a career soon.

Stern could arrange for a consolation playoff game between the Spurs and Celtics right before the finals. After the game, KG and Duncan walk off the court together and call it a career at the same time.

Make it a 4 team tourney with the Mavs & Pistons so Kidd and Ben Wallace can participate. They are looking their age as well.

Oh man, at least Duncan and KG are productive. Kidd can move a little. Ben Wallace might as well be playing on his knees.

It's crazy to think about all these guys who will be retiring in the next couple of years. It'll be the end of an era, except for Kobe who's still got some years left in him. And the way Ray Allen is going he can play until he's 45.

KG
Duncan
Ray Ray
Kidd
Nash
Ben Wallace
Grant Hill
Chauncey
Camby

Yup. Nash, Rip Hamilton. McDyess is gone. Jermaine O'Neal is done (had some awesome years in Indy). Shaq is gone.

Definitely a new era. This Spurs team should just let it go. Trade Manu for some young talent. I'd be happy with a Manu for D-Charge trade.
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Re: Game Thread: Spurs @ Wolves 1/27/12 1 year 3 months ago #77795

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Rubio is such a winner. WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER. I don't even know what I'm saying, because we have a chance of being 0.500 20 games into the season. This is uncharted territory for post-KG Timberwolfia.

Love, you are a huge contributor man, but Rubio is the straw that stirs the effing drink. He is the rug that ties the room together. Effing Rubio. RUBIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

I saw Wes stuffed Fundamental at a key juncture, still no love guys?

Not a great game for WJ but role player worthy, all in all?

Whatever it takes to get EG would be good with me. He would fit so well with this team, moving without the ball and canning Js off of the skip pass from the pick and pop.

If they do trade him, it would have to be a stupid, overwhelming amount of talent to give up (Williams plus Pekovic plus a healthy and productive Webster plus all our 2nd rounders and the protected 1sts) otherwise NOH is devaluing their own pick. However, if we are already above 0.500 at the deadline (??? Is that a possibility? Yes. It. Is.) then they may make the trade since our lotto odds would be so slim anyway.

Fingers crossed.
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Re: Game Thread: Spurs @ Wolves 1/27/12 1 year 3 months ago #77797

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Rubio is such a winner. WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER. I don't even know what I'm saying, because we have a chance of being 0.500 20 games into the season. This is uncharted territory for post-KG Timberwolfia.

Love, you are a huge contributor man, but Rubio is the straw that stirs the effing drink. He is the rug that ties the room together. Effing Rubio. RUBIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

I saw Wes stuffed Fundamental at a key juncture, still no love guys?

Not a great game for WJ but role player worthy, all in all?

Whatever it takes to get EG would be good with me. He would fit so well with this team, moving without the ball and canning Js off of the skip pass from the pick and pop.

If they do trade him, it would have to be a stupid, overwhelming amount of talent to give up (Williams plus Pekovic plus a healthy and productive Webster plus all our 2nd rounders and the protected 1sts) otherwise NOH is devaluing their own pick. However, if we are already above 0.500 at the deadline (??? Is that a possibility? Yes. It. Is.) then they may make the trade since our lotto odds would be so slim anyway.

Fingers crossed.

Roundhouse and daddyfatsax were too busy fawning over one another to have noticed the great block Wes made on Duncan as such a critical juncture of the game!
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Re: Game Thread: Spurs @ Wolves 1/27/12 1 year 3 months ago #77798

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hoopnuts wrote:
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Rubio is such a winner. WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER. I don't even know what I'm saying, because we have a chance of being 0.500 20 games into the season. This is uncharted territory for post-KG Timberwolfia.

Love, you are a huge contributor man, but Rubio is the straw that stirs the effing drink. He is the rug that ties the room together. Effing Rubio. RUBIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

I saw Wes stuffed Fundamental at a key juncture, still no love guys?

Not a great game for WJ but role player worthy, all in all?

Whatever it takes to get EG would be good with me. He would fit so well with this team, moving without the ball and canning Js off of the skip pass from the pick and pop.

If they do trade him, it would have to be a stupid, overwhelming amount of talent to give up (Williams plus Pekovic plus a healthy and productive Webster plus all our 2nd rounders and the protected 1sts) otherwise NOH is devaluing their own pick. However, if we are already above 0.500 at the deadline (??? Is that a possibility? Yes. It. Is.) then they may make the trade since our lotto odds would be so slim anyway.

Fingers crossed.

Roundhouse and daddyfatsax were too busy fawning over one another to have noticed the great block Wes made on Duncan as such a critical juncture of the game!

we are supposed to be excited over him for 1 play he made? how about the year and 1/4 of horrible play we had to watch. Not to mention he was non-existent the entire game before that block. Don't get why i'm supposed to be fascinated with a guy who is #4 draft pick last year making 1 play a game. Wes wants me to give him props, how about attacking the rim all the time, play defense all the time, and earn a spot in the rotation, because right now he shouldn't be getting any minutes.
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Re: Game Thread: Spurs @ Wolves 1/27/12 1 year 3 months ago #77800

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Man, I don't disagree with you, Wes J is playing like damaged goods. But he made a big play, give him credit for that. It's all good, in all likelihood he'll be one of those guys who ends up a solid role player who was drafted too high.
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Re: Game Thread: Spurs @ Wolves 1/27/12 1 year 3 months ago #77802

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He is the rug that ties the room together.

Clearly I like that comment.

Let's just hope no one (i.e., Kahn) pisses on that rug (i.e., doesn't make the necessary moves to build a complete team around him).

It is so great to *expect* to win each night. I don't care if the Wolves are playing @OKC, at this point I am disappointed if they lose.

Rambis sucks.
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Re: Game Thread: Spurs @ Wolves 1/27/12 1 year 3 months ago #77804

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who needs Howard when you have Pek! what a stud. he really is looking much more comfortable this season, and that excites me! he is gunna start over darko soon enough.

sadly beasley was still a ball stopper......not good
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Re: Game Thread: Spurs @ Wolves 1/27/12 1 year 3 months ago #77805

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we are supposed to be excited over him for 1 play he made? how about the year and 1/4 of horrible play we had to watch. Not to mention he was non-existent the entire game before that block. Don't get why i'm supposed to be fascinated with a guy who is #4 draft pick last year making 1 play a game. Wes wants me to give him props, how about attacking the rim all the time, play defense all the time, and earn a spot in the rotation, because right now he shouldn't be getting any minutes.

More of this MN Polars. You're an elite mind.
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Re: Game Thread: Spurs @ Wolves 1/27/12 1 year 3 months ago #77808

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we are supposed to be excited over him for 1 play he made? how about the year and 1/4 of horrible play we had to watch. Not to mention he was non-existent the entire game before that block. Don't get why i'm supposed to be fascinated with a guy who is #4 draft pick last year making 1 play a game. Wes wants me to give him props, how about attacking the rim all the time, play defense all the time, and earn a spot in the rotation, because right now he shouldn't be getting any minutes.

More of this MN Polars. You're an elite mind.

He was the only one getting hoops in the first quarter last night, got out in transition a couple times. Wayne played solid D from what I saw, good to see. I guess I'm just saying I see Wes and Wayne as comparable players in terms of their role. We expect much less from Wayne, so when he plays well we are thrilled. Because Wes was drafted so high and has had a rough 1.25 seasons we are more critical of him. Wes obviously needs work on defensive fundamentals which is the big difference- coming from UNC Wayne knows how to play good D.

I guess what makes me relatively okay about the whole thing is that if Kahn had drafted the guy we know now that he should have drafted (Greg Monroe), we would have hung Kahn from the Target Center rafters by his scrotum, because it would have seemed like Jonny Flynn all over again. If we had picked the guy that most of you guys wanted (Cousins) then it would have poisoned the well. Wes hasn't been solid, but he hasn't been poisonous.
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Re: Game Thread: Spurs @ Wolves 1/27/12 1 year 3 months ago #77809

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we are supposed to be excited over him for 1 play he made? how about the year and 1/4 of horrible play we had to watch. Not to mention he was non-existent the entire game before that block. Don't get why i'm supposed to be fascinated with a guy who is #4 draft pick last year making 1 play a game. Wes wants me to give him props, how about attacking the rim all the time, play defense all the time, and earn a spot in the rotation, because right now he shouldn't be getting any minutes.

More of this MN Polars. You're an elite mind.

Can't wait to see Webster take his minutes.
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Re: Game Thread: Spurs @ Wolves 1/27/12 1 year 3 months ago #77810

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why talk about wes when we can talk about pek! come on people, he was a STUD last night!
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Re: Game Thread: Spurs @ Wolves 1/27/12 1 year 3 months ago #77811

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Well, the ol' Canis Hoopus trip didn't disappoint. I went on over to read the post game thoughts and came away with the usual 3 thoughts: 1) lots of good everyday folk over there pointing out some nice tidbits of insight. 2) Complete bias clouding judgment such that what people want to see occur always occurs, no matter if it really does or not. 3) Moderator directed opinions. I wonder what the thread would look like if the post-game wrap was done by by someone with a different opinion of what's going on with the team. it's an impossible experiment to test because this theoretical 'somebody' doesn't have any clout, something that can only be bestowed upon one by SNP, Oceanary (smart dude), etc.

Here's my attempt to rationally judge what happened last night and over the season thus far. This will COMPLETELY fly in the face of the majority opinion on some players...me thinks.

1) Wes Sefalosha Johnson - Forget where he was drafted. Just consider how he is developing and how he's likely to develop. There is no way our proposed "ceiling" for the guy will ever be reached. He is likely going to continue to develop as a role player that has a place in the league. Contrary to what people on all Twolves' blogs would have us believe (Daddy included) he's done some fine things over the past several games that have made him look like an actual NBA player. If progress continues on the offensive end he may end up being a positive contributor by next year. Should he develop into a player who doesn't harm your team, he's fine in a role that every team needs of being that Thabo, Bowen, Tony Allen, Matt Barnes, etc...."Great take!" Some of you are saying. "Umm...No" the rest of you are saying. I tend to fall into the camp of the latter, unfortunately. What he doesn't have that the above role playing wings do is simple - an attitude conducive to the role (I call it toughness). Can he become a defensive player? Sure. But I don't know what you're watching if you think he's anything close to a defender now. His Rambis induced defense was the reason boy-shorts Jefferson got off to start. He is probably the softest player on the team. He, not once, has ever decided, "I'm going to shut this fycker down real quick" like every other role playing wing with toughness does.

So, I think it's toughness that is going to make or break him. If you think it can be learned, then maybe he can become that player. I don't think you can teach toughness and I think he's too mentally weak to ever become anything other than an end of the bench guy. I hope I'm wrong and the last handful of games would suggest he's moving toward being serviceable.

2) Darko. Along with Beasley, this man is hated on for no damn good reason. All he's done is but forth a handful of awesome and/or serviceable games over the past 20 games. half of the games have been duds, no doubt. But you do realize what he's paid, right? A dud game by Love sucks because he's paid tons of money. Darko is paid like a role playing center. Role players have dude games. Offensively he's a wreck (or should I say emotionally). Defensively he is nothing other than sound. Trying to pick apart his defense is a joke. he covers for Love all game and is bashed on the internet like he's trash. "But my analysis of advanced stats tell me..." blah, blah go fyck yourself. Those of us who actually know basketball know that advanced stats are supplementary to what actually happens on that court. They are useful but are manipulated to mean what we want them to, like all stats. Context is key. So..., yea Darko needs to become more consistent and to finish better inside. He's also not paid like a star so stop expecting more than adequate center play from him.

3) Beasley - If we are supposed to give Wes a lifetime to prove his worth how can you expect Beasley to have caught on to this team's style in ONE game back? I'll admit, I'm not optimistic. But to judge his ability to fit in after watching the ball movement for weeks isn't going to happen overnight. He had 2 assists and 4 rebounds in 20 minutes...but all I saw on canispoopus was the fact that he shot 3 - 11. Look at the shot selection chart. 3 of his shots came from Rubio passes and he shot in the lane in stride. He made 1 of them. He iso'ed and "ball-stopped" probably 3-4 times. When Pek or Love do it it's called a post up. When Beasley does it it's called a ball-stopping play. funny...I'd say that 2 assists and 4 rebounds in 20 minutes is a contribution. Half of his shots were in the flow and were "good" shots, by my estimation. In his first game back, I'll take it. Hopefully today Adleman is running tape by him to show him where he stopped the flow of the offense. But when they give him the ball on the elbow and clear out...that's the play RUBIO has just called for him...you fycking idiots. Blame Rubio for calling an iso for Beasley, not Beasley.

Defensively, the reactions on CanisPoopus were classic reactions of seeing what they wanted. I saw several comments about "That one play" when he got lost. yup. Agree. Sucked. What about that "one play" when Rubio got lost? or Love? Or Pek? Or Wes? Ha, what a joke. He rotated just fine and played just fine defense. Your basketball knowledge is complete crap if you think otherwise. Watch Love. He is out of position frequently. But he also makes sound plays as well. Rubio's gambles cost the team several times...no mention of that. He has improved dramatically under Adelman on defense. He's far from the worst player on that side of the ball. Form the eyeball test I'd take Beasley on Kobe tomorrow night over Derrick Williams, Wayne, or Wes anytime (bad example, Wes likes playing against Kobe).

4) 3 weeks ago most of the online Wolves community gave two sh*ts about Pek now he's the savior? give him some time. Remember when we all believed Beasley was destined for the all-star game last year for about two weeks? I hope he's the real deal. He seems like it. Him and Darko have given us to pause recently when contemplating positions of most glaring need.

5) Webbie is the best. From his hair to his awesome missed dunk, Webbie goes HAM. I'll be voting for him for the all star game until his back breaks again. :whistle:

Anyway, some thoughts to bring people back to reality (or to at least start conversation about thinking a bit more clearly) and to stop with these judgments stemming from "evidence" we create from isolated incidents that don't even define the plays on the court.

Last second Wes bashing: Sure, I am biased against Wes and I'm too harsh on him. He didn't draft himself #4, the Wolves did. I'm a fan of toughness and I don't see him with it. Nothing over the last year has even suggested he has the work ethic to improve. He apparently did nothing over summer. He still can't dribble, move appropriately on D or shoot.
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Re: Game Thread: Spurs @ Wolves 1/27/12 1 year 3 months ago #77813

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Re: Game Thread: Spurs @ Wolves 1/27/12 1 year 3 months ago #77818

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wolfenstein wrote:
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we are supposed to be excited over him for 1 play he made? how about the year and 1/4 of horrible play we had to watch. Not to mention he was non-existent the entire game before that block. Don't get why i'm supposed to be fascinated with a guy who is #4 draft pick last year making 1 play a game. Wes wants me to give him props, how about attacking the rim all the time, play defense all the time, and earn a spot in the rotation, because right now he shouldn't be getting any minutes.

More of this MN Polars. You're an elite mind.

He was the only one getting hoops in the first quarter last night, got out in transition a couple times. Wayne played solid D from what I saw, good to see. I guess I'm just saying I see Wes and Wayne as comparable players in terms of their role. We expect much less from Wayne, so when he plays well we are thrilled. Because Wes was drafted so high and has had a rough 1.25 seasons we are more critical of him. Wes obviously needs work on defensive fundamentals which is the big difference- coming from UNC Wayne knows how to play good D.

I guess what makes me relatively okay about the whole thing is that if Kahn had drafted the guy we know now that he should have drafted (Greg Monroe), we would have hung Kahn from the Target Center rafters by his scrotum, because it would have seemed like Jonny Flynn all over again. If we had picked the guy that most of you guys wanted (Cousins) then it would have poisoned the well. Wes hasn't been solid, but he hasn't been poisonous.

That is probably going to be the downfall of Wes for me. I will always see him as the #4 draft pick in the draft whose upside is a role player off the bench. So i agree with this post. I also agree with daddys superb post (awesome insight being dropped in this topic) that he will never reach the ceiling we want him to reach. Another thing i agree with from daddys post is Wes's toughness. He's all smiles, thankfully the team has gotten away from that team philosophy from last year.
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