WallyWorld wrote:
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I thought we were talking about the 96-03 teams, so that eliminates Sam & Latrell. And yes, Guugs and Steph were awesome in the mid-90s, but that didn't last long, and our record actually got better after they left. So who is left that forms a substantially better supporting cast than K. Love has? T-Hud? Wally? A hobbled and past his prime Terrell Brandon? Peeler? The Kandi Man? I just don't see it at all. Not at all. The fact that KG got 50+ wins out of those teams was and still is amazing.

How can you eliminate the only playoff team that advanced from discussion? The one team that finally improved it's supporting cast...and then not even consider the Blount/Davis era where we finished in the bottom 7 in the standings twice with KG as our best player?

Marbury was fantastic before he demanded out. Googs made the all-star team and averaged 20+ while he was here. Terrell Brandon was not even near past his prime and was fantastic when he was here before he went down.

Bonk...sorry to say but you have blinders on. I'm not saying Garnett had a good supporting cast, but it isn't even close to the cesspool of ineptitude currently on the roster, or from the past 2 years.

Do you think Garnett could have lead the Wolves to the playoffs with this 2010-2011 lineup (assume he is playing at early 00-level?)

PG - Ridnour
SG - Wes Johnson
SF - Beasley
PF - Garnett
C - Milicic

No way in hell. There is only so much one player can do. KG is a wonderful, fabulous player, I love him a lot and miss him...but...come on.....be rational here.

KG would have gotten more than 15 and 17 wins out of those teams - that's not even debateable is it?!

And doesn't the wild success of the 04 team prove my point...that his supporting cast was garbage, and once he got two other borderline all-stars on the squad, we turned into a #1 seed. Are you saying K. Love on THAT team would have yielded 60 wins and a 1 seed? I'm not.

I see the Love hating is continuing...

For who would you trade him BonK? Iblocka and Harden, like CW?

Maybe we should trade him for KG now. He's not a winner anyway. Let Rubio do his thing and be the main scorer.

BonK wrote:
It feels like we are both arguing two different topics.

We definitely agree Garnett's tag team wasn't remotely good enough to realistically compete until Sammy and Spree arrived. But we are talking about how it compares to what Love has now. When you compare the (yes, sub-par) help KG had vs. the (diarrhea-like) help Love has had up until now.....I mean, are we honestly still debating this? Luke Ridnour a 3rd option last year? This is why Kahn might be worse than McHale. Seriously.

This is Love's first year playing with 2 above average players, both of whom are injured. Pretty much everyone else on the Wolves' roster shouldn't even be playing a consistent 20+ minutes for any team in the league.

KG with ok/average help - 1st round of playoffs for 7 seasons
KG with really good help - WCF for 1 year. Best month ever.
KG with Marko Jaric, Ricky Davis and Nikoloz Tskitishvili - Lottery bound for 3 years and a bottom 7 team for 2 of them. I think this is an important period to put this whole thing into perspective. Just like the year after Shaq left the Lakers, leaving Kobe lottery bound and hooping with Smush Parker. Same thing. Isn't a knock on Garnett.

Garnett is better. Garnett had some help, but not enough. Love has had a supporting cast that probably couldn't beat the Charlotte Bobcat's bench in a pickup game.

The same exact cycle of events that occurred with KG are now occurring with Love. Just wait. We'll bump this thread in 8 years and collectively guffaw.

Yeah, I guess I don't know what we are debating anymore either. I guess we basically agree. KG's crew was subpar, but not as subpar as Love's group until this year. KG won more games with a better subpar group than Love did.

Flash, I am not hating! But if someone like Jim Pete is going to go on and on about how Love is better than KG ever was, I am going to take offense and argue otherwise! It's simply not true. Love has not done nearly the things that KG has done. Not yet for sure.

And scoring more points does not neccesarily equal being a better player. When Love makes some playoff series, wins an All-Star/NBA/NBA Finals/Defensive MVP, then we can start comparing.

BonK wrote:
I think we do basically, secretly agree. You are the most passionate KG fan I know so I didnt mean to strike a chord.

Either way, Wolves/Celtics is one of the best nights of the year. Tonight should be great. Really sucks that Barea/Beasley/Pek are all out. Big time.

Would it hurt the Wolves to bring in someone on a 10-day contract? I mean....come on....is Taylor really that cheap? Wouldn't surprise me.

We should have signed Earl Boykins and some no name big who probably has Williams for a last name. Need some help in the rotation. Brad Miller SUFFERS out there on the court in his spot-duty minutes.

BonK wrote: I watch more than you!

BonK wrote: Cool, thanks! What's the Twitter to contact?

BonK wrote: KG definitely would have won more than 15 and 17 games, even with that crap. No doubt. Some of his teammates during those first 7 years we made the playoffs were horrendously terrible.

And no, K-Lav couldn't have gotten us the #1 seed in '04 either.

KG is one of the best ever all-around players in the history of the NBA. So I'm not ripping Love here by any means. It is what it is.

WallyWorld wrote: Yes. Yes, he is.