I just thought about something. This is similar to a situation on another board that got us all booted off! KGLVP, visit one particular board that can be found one of two ways: The commonly used website, or also d-bagcentral.com. Bring your dissenting opinions of KG there and see what happens. Do not be surprised when they ban you from the site. It's hilarious. And then before you get banned give them gambling tips and you'll get banned even quicker! Then you can officially become a member of this siteB)

... Sorry Derok and CW, I couldn't resist. Bonk, you can openly agree, you aren't a mod...Oh shucks, Tom-the-meat-whistle-tuner-Thunderbutt might be reading this! Now I'll never get back on there.

daddyfatsax wrote:

Hahahaha it's all good. I'm not gonna lie, that made me laugh out loud... especially the \"and then before you get banned give them gambling tips and you'll get banned even quicker!\"

KG4LVP wrote:

Agreed Mmaland. Who determines which player is quantified as a \"bust???\" Is there certain criteria that I am missing? It is VERY subjective depending on the player involved, his career, and everyone's arguments for or against him.

I think the best thing one could do is poll as many people as possible, and that would give you your answer...

The answer would be, of course, that KG is far from a \"bust.\"

P.S. I'd say Top 60 all-time does indeed classify him as one of the all-time greats.

daddyfatsax wrote:
LOL...funny...

Seriously though...I think the KG bias is way over the top and to even consider him one of the 60 greatest of all time is a real stretch...

The real reason that KG is so idolized here still is that MN sports teams, excpet the Twins, have never won a championship...But because the Wolves underachieved under the regime of KG here, but yet had one MVP season and was a multiple All-Star is a reason to get everyone in a orgasmic frenzy over KG...

Mark my words...if he does not get it done in Boston, a team that has actually won some championships over the years, the opinion of the success of KG's career will be put into perspective in it's proper light...a good player who never could win the big one...

I mean let's be a little objectionable here people...the knock on KG over the years has been that he is not the one to count on when the game on the line...He stalled in the 4th quarter...

Heck the guy in my avatar had FAR less talent than most of the teams KG had to play with and he got to the NBA finals...He has the fire in his eyes...something KG has not had through out his career.

KG4LVP wrote:
Dude, he made it in the crappy Eastern Conference. KG was on a 50 win team that was the EIGHTH seed in the West one season.

We'll see what happens with KG on Boston...

You still gonna declare him a \"bust\" if the Celtics make it to the Finals but lose???

College Wolf wrote:
LOL! I find it funny how you can dismiss King James accomplishment as being in the Eastern Conference...If memory serves me right the East has won some titles the past few seasons (2004 - Detroit & 2006 - Miami) and some have suggested that the power is beginning to shift to the Eastern Conference...

I will change my opinion of KG if he can get to the Finals, he actually should win, but getting there would make a change this KG Critic...How about any of you? Will your opinion of KG change if he does not at least make it to the finals...NBA Finals that is???

KG4LVP wrote:

Ok, if we must do this...

I think we can agree that KG didn't start to come into his own around the decline of the Bulls Dynasty. So, here are the champions after the last of the Bull's titles in 97-98:


98-99: Spurs
99-00: Lakers
00-01: Lakers
01-02: Lakers
02-03: Spurs
03-04: EAST
04-05: Spurs
05-06: EAST
06-07: Spurs


By my count, that's 7 of the last 9 titles being won by the Western Conference. On top of that, it's universally a KNOWN FACT that the Western Conference has been deeper than the East in terms of talent at the top of each respective league.

Going to the NBA Finals via the Eastern Conference is considerably easier than making it in the Western Conference.

So yeah, there is no rebuttal to this.

KG4LVP wrote:
Maybe...It would have to. So would my perception of Allen and Pierce.

College Wolf wrote:
So even more reason why KG SHOULD get to the finals for sure...in the inferior Eastern Conference...if not...well KG again has proved to be a bust...

I bet Cleveland and/or Detroit owns the Celtics and KG gets pushed around by Rasheed and owned by King James...

KG4LVP wrote:

Dude, KG hasn't even completed one season in the East yet. Therefore, he's still a \"bust?\" His career isn't over. How can you go on saying he's a \"bust\", but then point out he's just a \"bust\" because he's never made it to the Finals through the East yet??? This is his first half season...

The rest of his career hasn't been a bust, as we've all pointed out he's had inferior teammates in the superior conference. You really can't debate that any further.

True enough...as far as not completing the season...but the media practically crowned the Celtics the NBA champs and KG as the MVP before the started the season...

19.2 PPG
9.9 RPG
3.8 APG
1.41 BPG

This year does not make an MVP...

So just as the pundits and I am guessing many of you on this board have coronated KG as the MVP and the Celtics the NBA Champs before the season...I am saying history will repeat itself as KG coming up short of the Finals...Eastern or NBA

I may be wrong but we shall see...

KG4LVP wrote:

THAT's your argument?!?!? Since the blowhard talking head media has crowned the Celts champs, and they haven't won the title yet (because it's not even possible... still KG's first season in the East), KG's a bust???? Ridiculous!

Those are MVP caliber stats if the C's finish with the best record in the league. Best Record in the League + above average stats still = Front running MVP candidate.

College Wolf wrote:
No that is not my arguement...my point in this is to counter your point of saying it is wrong for me to judge KG before his first season in Boston has been completed.

Paul Pierce is the real MVP of that team anyways...not KG...

KG4LVP wrote:

Ummmmm... ok.