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Article on possible 2011 lockout. 3 years 3 months ago #41813

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sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AkXqKlD7m...&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Not as in depth as it could be but it is obvious a change is brewing. Hopefully non guaranteed contracts happens.
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Re:Article on possible 2011 lockout. 3 years 3 months ago #41814

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I know it wont happen but do you think people will finally say enough is enough with overpaid athletes if both the NBA and NFL players go on strike because 20 mil a year is not enough for them. The reason it costs us 100 a game a person is because the amount the players are making. Luckily the wolves will take any money they can over the none at all they would get if there tickets were priced at the usual 50 dollars a lower level seat.

I hate to say it but I think the NHL is the only league that got it somewhat right by having players put into the escrow account and if the league makes money the get it and if it doesnt the money goes to cover operating costs. Each player puts in 15% of there yearly salary.
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Re:Article on possible 2011 lockout. 3 years 3 months ago #41818

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I know it wont happen but do you think people will finally say enough is enough with overpaid athletes if both the NBA and NFL players go on strike because 20 mil a year is not enough for them. The reason it costs us 100 a game a person is because the amount the players are making. Luckily the wolves will take any money they can over the none at all they would get if there tickets were priced at the usual 50 dollars a lower level seat.

I hate to say it but I think the NHL is the only league that got it somewhat right by having players put into the escrow account and if the league makes money the get it and if it doesnt the money goes to cover operating costs. Each player puts in 15% of there yearly salary.

I sure hope that people will finally take a stand. I mean, pro sports is just getting absurd with the salary and cost escalation. It's just beyond insane. Families and the everyday fan are getting priced out. Granted, we can still go to Wolves games for cheap because they suck soooo bad, but that's definitely not the norm.

Things need to change. I hope both leagues go to a HARD salary cap like the NHL, and implement the escrow account as well.
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Re:Article on possible 2011 lockout. 3 years 3 months ago #41843

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I know it wont happen but do you think people will finally say enough is enough with overpaid athletes if both the NBA and NFL players go on strike because 20 mil a year is not enough for them. The reason it costs us 100 a game a person is because the amount the players are making. Luckily the wolves will take any money they can over the none at all they would get if there tickets were priced at the usual 50 dollars a lower level seat.

I hate to say it but I think the NHL is the only league that got it somewhat right by having players put into the escrow account and if the league makes money the get it and if it doesnt the money goes to cover operating costs. Each player puts in 15% of there yearly salary.

I sure hope that people will finally take a stand. I mean, pro sports is just getting absurd with the salary and cost escalation. It's just beyond insane. Families and the everyday fan are getting priced out. Granted, we can still go to Wolves games for cheap because they suck soooo bad, but that's definitely not the norm.

Things need to change. I hope both leagues go to a HARD salary cap like the NHL, and implement the escrow account as well.

The NHL and it's absurd 10-15 year contracts are enough to make me discount the idea of comparing to them. The worst job of administering any major pro league is the NHL BY FAR. They have 10 too many franchises where they don't belong.

I really like the current NBA contract setup. It allows a well run franchises to spend more when they are good and less when they are bad and use that fact to their advantage.

Why do you guys think a hard cap would bring ticket prices down? Is there any reason to think an altruistic owner exists who will take less profit (or more losses) to lower tickets?

The NBA has an escrow system as it is now and the current CBA sets the salary cap based on league revenue.

As for guaranteed versus non-guaranteed contracts it isn't all honky- dory when you can void them. That means you have holdouts and huge signing bonuses that make contract way more complicated.
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Re:Article on possible 2011 lockout. 3 years 3 months ago #41861

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jbird wrote:
I know it wont happen but do you think people will finally say enough is enough with overpaid athletes if both the NBA and NFL players go on strike because 20 mil a year is not enough for them. The reason it costs us 100 a game a person is because the amount the players are making. Luckily the wolves will take any money they can over the none at all they would get if there tickets were priced at the usual 50 dollars a lower level seat.

I hate to say it but I think the NHL is the only league that got it somewhat right by having players put into the escrow account and if the league makes money the get it and if it doesnt the money goes to cover operating costs. Each player puts in 15% of there yearly salary.

I sure hope that people will finally take a stand. I mean, pro sports is just getting absurd with the salary and cost escalation. It's just beyond insane. Families and the everyday fan are getting priced out. Granted, we can still go to Wolves games for cheap because they suck soooo bad, but that's definitely not the norm.

Things need to change. I hope both leagues go to a HARD salary cap like the NHL, and implement the escrow account as well.

The NHL and it's absurd 10-15 year contracts are enough to make me discount the idea of comparing to them. The worst job of administering any major pro league is the NHL BY FAR. They have 10 too many franchises where they don't belong.

I really like the current NBA contract setup. It allows a well run franchises to spend more when they are good and less when they are bad and use that fact to their advantage.

Why do you guys think a hard cap would bring ticket prices down? Is there any reason to think an altruistic owner exists who will take less profit (or more losses) to lower tickets?

The NBA has an escrow system as it is now and the current CBA sets the salary cap based on league revenue.

As for guaranteed versus non-guaranteed contracts it isn't all honky- dory when you can void them. That means you have holdouts and huge signing bonuses that make contract way more complicated.

Well, ticket prices could be lowered if overall salaries decrease (in conjunction with a hard cap.) If things continue how they are, ticket prices won't go down.

Of course, to implement a hard cap and lower the overall percentage of revenues that players receive, a ton of contracts will have to be grandfathered in, and I'd guess there will have to be at least a 3 year window for everything to fully transfer over.

But that would be good for the health of the league in the long run. The NHL is surviving because of their salary situation. The NFL is surviving because it is BY FAR the most popular sport and has the biggest overall revenues. MLB and NBA are in serious trouble if they don't do something soon to fix their financial situations. There is no way they will both continue with the way costs have escalated. And yes, the owners are a lot to blame for how they have paid players, but I do feel they should be "bailed out" and have the financial situation changed and regulated for their own good. We can't have the system that allows the "haves" to spend way more than the other teams. And player salaries have reached the point of beyond absurdity anyways. Does anyone really believe players are worth what they get paid? Only like the 5% that are the best in the world, but there is no way guys should be getting the MLE that have gotten it in the past. LeBron getting 20 Million per year is a lot less absurd than Gortat making 6 million per year. Even then, 20 million is a ridiculous amount for anyone as well, but at least the best 5% of players are a lot more deserving if anyone is gonna make amounts like that.

Does this make sense? I'm rambling. More vicodine...
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Re:Article on possible 2011 lockout. 3 years 3 months ago #41873

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I didnt say the NHL had it right I just think it is a good place to start. Both leagues have teams in places they dont belong and both have to many. The long term deals the NHL has are few and they are a loop whole that ass bag attorneys found of ignoring the cap. The thing is the only players in the NBA that would get those deals are your Lebron's and Kobe's. The escrow the NHL has is not comparable to the NBA in any way. NHL players put 15% of there salary into an account that if the league makes money they get it if the league loses they dont get it. There isnt a player in the NBA giving any money to any body except charities.

My problem with the NBA contracts is not the 20 mil a year deals the lebron's get its the 4 to 8 mil a year the brian cardinals get. In the NHL players of his caliber get 1 mil or less. I dont think the NBA is doing as well as people think last year 15 teams had to get bailed out from the fund.

Point being a change is needed. Greed needs to stop even though it wont cuz if the players dont get it the owners will and they will not drop prices unless they have to.
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Re:Article on possible 2011 lockout. 3 years 3 months ago #41875

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I didnt say the NHL had it right I just think it is a good place to start. Both leagues have teams in places they dont belong and both have to many. The long term deals the NHL has are few and they are a loop whole that ass bag attorneys found of ignoring the cap. The thing is the only players in the NBA that would get those deals are your Lebron's and Kobe's. The escrow the NHL has is not comparable to the NBA in any way. NHL players put 15% of there salary into an account that if the league makes money they get it if the league loses they dont get it. There isnt a player in the NBA giving any money to any body except charities.

My problem with the NBA contracts is not the 20 mil a year deals the lebron's get its the 4 to 8 mil a year the brian cardinals get. In the NHL players of his caliber get 1 mil or less. I dont think the NBA is doing as well as people think last year 15 teams had to get bailed out from the fund.

Point being a change is needed. Greed needs to stop even though it wont cuz if the players dont get it the owners will and they will not drop prices unless they have to.

In a roundabout way, that's what I was trying to say above as well, in my previous post.

And yes, there are some NBA teams that are in SERIOUS trouble financially.
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I didnt say the NHL had it right I just think it is a good place to start. Both leagues have teams in places they dont belong and both have to many. The long term deals the NHL has are few and they are a loop whole that ass bag attorneys found of ignoring the cap. The thing is the only players in the NBA that would get those deals are your Lebron's and Kobe's. The escrow the NHL has is not comparable to the NBA in any way. NHL players put 15% of there salary into an account that if the league makes money they get it if the league loses they dont get it. There isnt a player in the NBA giving any money to any body except charities.

My problem with the NBA contracts is not the 20 mil a year deals the lebron's get its the 4 to 8 mil a year the brian cardinals get. In the NHL players of his caliber get 1 mil or less. I dont think the NBA is doing as well as people think last year 15 teams had to get bailed out from the fund.

Point being a change is needed. Greed needs to stop even though it wont cuz if the players dont get it the owners will and they will not drop prices unless they have to.

In a roundabout way, that's what I was trying to say above as well, in my previous post.

And yes, there are some NBA teams that are in SERIOUS trouble financially.

members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q15

8-10% of NBA players salary are held in escrow and given to them based on how player salaries line up with league revenues. How is that completely different than the NHL?

I agree than that the Mid-Level guys have made way too much historically in the NBA comparably to the starts, but very few of them got paid last year. Maybe teams are starting to get it.

The Simmons-Stern podcast that went up today is a must listen on this topic.
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The Simmons-Stern podcast that went up today is a must listen on this topic.

Good stuff, thanks for the heads up.

And yeah, anyone with any interest or thoughts on the upcoming CBA negotiations should listen to it. Lots of interesting stuff in it.
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The Simmons-Stern podcast that went up today is a must listen on this topic.

Good stuff, thanks for the heads up.

And yeah, anyone with any interest or thoughts on the upcoming CBA negotiations should listen to it. Lots of interesting stuff in it.

The one thing I was bummed about was that Simmons basically took the stance I have here, saying that he thought if you updated the ownership/player rev split you could keep the soft cap. Then Stern started talking about how he used to believe that too and was going to explain why it hasn't worked when he got off on another tangent.
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