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Re: The Cancelled CP3 Trade 1 year 5 months ago #74375

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Wow, surprising. Roundhouse is pissed about something. Didn't see that coming. he's usually so level-headed and not fatalistic about anything...

But ya'll are right, strange on all accounts. Hornets need the Wolves or Clip Show to trade them a PG because Mr. Jack is NOT a starter in this league...he's a fine backup. Maybe some sort of an Ariza for Ridnour deal? I'd have to look at Ariza's contract. Him and Rubio in the backcourt don't spread the floor much nor do they make for a lot of slashing. Just a thought.

Any of the following will have 40 dropped on them by Kobe in the playoffs this year: Billups, CP3, Bledsoe, and Williams. Therefore none of them can really play the 2 when it counts.

At the end of the day, CP3 is the best point in the game (when healthy). What he does in the playoffs, when it counts, is just plain stupid. I'm sure a few of you will argue for DRose or DWill over him, but the point is, he's a complete game changer. Anyone remember Rondo against Orlando in the playoffs (or last year with a broken arm no less)? Top flight PG's can change games.

Playing Roundhouse devil's advocate, how many quality SGs are left in this league? Gordon and/or that pick might be pretty valuable. The Wolves have options at every position besides the two. It's not easy to fill...

It really might be a lateral move for a team that was destined to drastically improve this year anyway. We won't know how much is CP3 related and how much is a carry over from general improvements (Griff, DAJ, etc.).

Regardless, good for the Hornets. They can rest assured it's going to be the number 1 pick. This we all know. So think about it that way. Then Roundhouse is closer to the truth. The #1 pick AND Gordon AND Aminu AND Caveman?

Yes, now that our #1 is not owned by an equally cursed franchise, we can place 1:7 betting odds on pulling that #1 ping pong ball.

A move of a pile of our assets for Mr. Gordon would be appropriate here. Maybe Williams + Randolph + Ridnour or something.
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Re: The Cancelled CP3 Trade 1 year 5 months ago #74376

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Gordon is a top 5 SG AND only 23 years old. Why oh why would they trade him and our draft pick. Makes no sense. This trade makes them so much worse.

Billups
Gordon
Butler
Blake
DAJ

CP3
Williams or Billups or Foye
Butler
Blake
DAJ

The first team is better!! and has a 1st round pick from the worst team in the league!! and Aminu and Kaman!!

They should have never included Gordon in the deal. After Kobe and Wade, it's basically Gordon, Joe Johnson, Ray Allen, Monta Ellis, and Ginobli. And then it's a big drop off after that. Allen and Ginobli are old. Joe Johnson is not that good and way over paid. Ellis is a good scorer but bad defensively and undersized. Gordon is the pick of that group. Dumb trade.
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Re: Chris Paul to the Clippers (for real this time!) 1 year 5 months ago #74383

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cycosurgeon wrote:
College Wolf wrote:
roundhouse wrote:
Terrible deal for the Clippers. Their PGs are CP3, Billups,Mo Williams, and Bledsoe? Their SGs are Randy Foye and Travis Leslie. Is Kahn secretly running their team? Either that or David Stern is holding Sterling's family hostage and threatening to kill them unless he accepts the trade so Stern can save face.
I wouldn't say "terrible", but I don't love it for the Clippers either.

A few things... they can still amnesty or trade Mo Williams. That will really help their cause financially, and to get rid of the PG logjam.

Also, CP3 is better than people give him credit for, and Eric Gordon is much worse than people give him credit for. Plus he's up for a huge extension after this season. Please read this, it's really good/insightful:

A Familiar Story Plays Out in Los Angeles

Thats a cool article.
Thanks. ;)

And yes it is, everyone should read it.
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Re: Chris Paul to the Clippers (for real this time!) 1 year 5 months ago #74384

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roundhouse wrote:
cycosurgeon wrote:
Foye did good for them last year, I honestly figured the trade was going to be CP3 for Kaveman, Foye, Aminu, a PG and the pick.

But Stern pried Gordon away from them some how, but he is like CP3 hurt half the year too.

Chancey at the 2 for the win!

Foye shot 39% from the field, can barely pass, and plays zero defense. On what planet is that good??
Foye is brutal. He's barely an NBA backup, if that. :dry:
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Re: Chris Paul to the Clippers (for real this time!) 1 year 5 months ago #74386

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roundhouse wrote:
I really hope espn jumped the gun again because this trade is crap. And why aren't the Clippers sending a PG to the Hornets when they have 4 legit PGs and the Hornets have Jarret frickin Jack and no one else on the roster? Zero common sense involved in this trade.
Yeah, it makes no sense. I don't get the PG's staying on the Clippers. WTF? At the very least, they should have kept Aminu and gave Bledsoe... or something. $tern is a terrible GM, obviously. What a tool. :unsure:
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Re: The Cancelled CP3 Trade 1 year 5 months ago #74387

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roundhouse wrote:
Gordon is a top 5 SG AND only 23 years old. Why oh why would they trade him and our draft pick. Makes no sense. This trade makes them so much worse.

Billups
Gordon
Butler
Blake
DAJ

CP3
Williams or Billups or Foye
Butler
Blake
DAJ

The first team is better!! and has a 1st round pick from the worst team in the league!! and Aminu and Kaman!!

They should have never included Gordon in the deal. After Kobe and Wade, it's basically Gordon, Joe Johnson, Ray Allen, Monta Ellis, and Ginobli. And then it's a big drop off after that. Allen and Ginobli are old. Joe Johnson is not that good and way over paid. Ellis is a good scorer but bad defensively and undersized. Gordon is the pick of that group. Dumb trade.

A forward thinking GM, however, knows that the finals don't begin tomorrow. the point with the trade is that HOPEFULLY long-term they see more potential with this lineup. I'm sure they think they can eventually make some sort of trade to shore up the SG position.

Speaking of old, top shooting guards, I'd put Stephen Jackson in there. If he were to ever be on a good team, he'd be better than Joe Johnson (because he will murder you defensively when he is so inclined). I guess you can put Iggy and Kevin Martin in that group too..But the point stands, quality shooting guards are pretty scarce, yet essential for the chip. Wish the Wolves could have somehow taken Gordon for our sweet pieces like Wes and Derrick Williams :(
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Re: The Cancelled CP3 Trade 1 year 5 months ago #74389

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daddyfatsax wrote:
Regardless, good for the Hornets. They can rest assured it's going to be the number 1 pick. This we all know. So think about it that way. Then Roundhouse is closer to the truth. The #1 pick AND Gordon AND Aminu AND Caveman?
Hahaha ain't that the sad truth. $tern still hates us, so yes, congrats on the #1 overall pick in next year's loaded draft. :(
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Re: The Cancelled CP3 Trade 1 year 5 months ago #74391

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Stephen Jackson and Iggy are SFs. Iggy hardly played any SG last year and is way better at SF. Stephen Jackson is also a lot better at SF but due to the fact that hardly any teams have a SG, he always is playing there. I probably should have thrown Martin and maybe Tyreke Evans in there. Evans' destiny is as the best player on a terrible team and I'd take Gordon over Martin.
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Re: The Cancelled CP3 Trade 1 year 5 months ago #74392

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roundhouse wrote:
I'd say Stephen Jackson and Iggy are SFs. Iggy hardly played any SG last year and is way better at SF. Stephen Jackson is also a lot better at SF but due to the fact that hardly any teams have a SG, he always is playing there. I probably should have thrown Martin and maybe Tyreke Evans in there. Evans' destiny is as the best player on a terrible team and I'd take Gordon over Martin.

Ahhh, Reke Evans. Yea, forgot about him. I'd take Gordon over everyone except Wade. Kobe's too old. Monta maybe...
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Re: The Cancelled CP3 Trade 1 year 5 months ago #74394

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After Kobe and Wade, the list goes Manu, Iggy (he's a SF?), Tyreke Evans (PG or SG?) and then Kevin Martin.

Eric Gordon is somewhere in 6-10 range, maybe. I'd rather have Monta than Gordon, but maybe that's just me. I'd probably rather take Ray Allen too.
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Re: The Cancelled CP3 Trade 1 year 5 months ago #74395

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daddyfatsax wrote:
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I'd say Stephen Jackson and Iggy are SFs. Iggy hardly played any SG last year and is way better at SF. Stephen Jackson is also a lot better at SF but due to the fact that hardly any teams have a SG, he always is playing there. I probably should have thrown Martin and maybe Tyreke Evans in there. Evans' destiny is as the best player on a terrible team and I'd take Gordon over Martin.

Ahhh, Reke Evans. Yea, forgot about him. I'd take Gordon over everyone except Wade. Kobe's too old. Monta maybe...

Exactly what I'm thinking. And the league is so overly saturated with PGs right now. In a day and age when a still good Chauncey Billups is getting cut from the team, I'd be focusing on center and shooting guard and filling in around them. Good forwards are even easier to find than a good PG.
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Re: The Cancelled CP3 Trade 1 year 5 months ago #74396

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Just realized something. This is all a moot point, Vinnie Of the Black is still the Clippers' coach. AHAHAHAH! Griffin-CP3 has no chance of GP-Kemp territory with him there. Plus, their owner is a top ten worst person on Earth. I wish him nothing but the worst.
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After Kobe and Wade, the list goes Manu, Iggy (he's a SF?), Tyreke Evans (PG or SG?) and then Kevin Martin.

Eric Gordon is somewhere in 6-10 range, maybe. I'd rather have Monta than Gordon, but maybe that's just me. I'd probably rather take Ray Allen too.

CW, can't argue with ya there. I just meant long-term, for a young team. Them old dudes do no good on a young team. CW, personally, I'm at the end of my wits with half the sh*t gets in. I got a list here's the order of my list that it's in. It goes Reggie, Jay-Z, Tupac and Biggie Andre from Outkast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas and then me.
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Re: The Cancelled CP3 Trade 1 year 5 months ago #74397

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daddyfatsax wrote:
Just realized something. This is all a moot point, Vinnie Of the Black is still the Clippers' coach. AHAHAHAH! Griffin-CP3 has no chance of GP-Kemp territory with him there. Plus, their owner is a top ten worst person on Earth. I wish him nothing but the worst.
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After Kobe and Wade, the list goes Manu, Iggy (he's a SF?), Tyreke Evans (PG or SG?) and then Kevin Martin.

Eric Gordon is somewhere in 6-10 range, maybe. I'd rather have Monta than Gordon, but maybe that's just me. I'd probably rather take Ray Allen too.

CW, can't argue with ya there. I just meant long-term, for a young team. Them old dudes do no good on a young team. CW, personally, I'm at the end of my wits with half the sh*t gets in. I got a list here's the order of my list that it's in. It goes Reggie, Jay-Z, Tupac and Biggie Andre from Outkast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas and then me.
Gotcha about being a young SG, that makes sense.

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Re: The Cancelled CP3 Trade 1 year 5 months ago #74398

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Dude Iggy is a SF. He played 6% of the 76ers minutes at SG and 53% at SF.

@ SG: 12 PER and 14 opponent PER
@ SF: 18 PER and 10 opponent PER

The way the Kings use Tyreke, you technically have to label him as a PG. Calling Reke a SG would be the same thing as calling Allen Iverson a SG even though we all know he was the PG. Also Tyreke isn't even that good. He's such a huge ballhog and he's not good enough to carry the team so therefore he'll always be on a bad team.

I'd probably rather have Ray Allen as well...for this season. Gordon is 23 and Ray is 36. :side:

Monta is a tough choice because I'm a big fan as well. I'll call it a draw.

1. Wade
2. Kobe
3. Gordon/Monta

At PG, Rose is a no-brainer over Paul. D-Will is pretty equal to Paul and I prefer D-Will. I'd even take the unlimited potential, rookie contract, and youth of John Wall over CP3's massive contract and balky knees. Nash is the Ray Allen of the PG position in that he's simply too old to choose him over CP3.

Rondo, Westbrook, Parker. Then probably a dropoff but there is still so many more capable PGs out there.
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Re: The Cancelled CP3 Trade 1 year 5 months ago #74400

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Dude Iggy is a SF. He played 6% of the 76ers minutes at SG and 53% at SF.

@ SG: 12 PER and 14 opponent PER
@ SF: 18 PER and 10 opponent PER

The way the Kings use Tyreke, you technically have to label him as a PG. Calling Reke a SG would be the same thing as calling Allen Iverson a SG even though we all know he was the PG. Also Tyreke isn't even that good. He's such a huge ballhog and he's not good enough to carry the team so therefore he'll always be on a bad team.

I'd probably rather have Ray Allen as well...for this season. Gordon is 23 and Ray is 36. :side:

Monta is a tough choice because I'm a big fan as well. I'll call it a draw.

1. Wade
2. Kobe
3. Gordon/Monta

At PG, Rose is a no-brainer over Paul. D-Will is pretty equal to Paul and I prefer D-Will. I'd even take the unlimited potential, rookie contract, and youth of John Wall over CP3's massive contract and balky knees. Nash is the Ray Allen of the PG position in that he's simply too old to choose him over CP3.

Rondo, Westbrook, Parker. Then probably a dropoff but there is still so many more capable PGs out there.

Disagree, but that's fine. Point is, point guards are the sh*t right now. Hopefully Ricky can get to at least that next tier below Rondo :(
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