Wow... sounds like this is gonna go down. Interesting...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3244102

This is an insane trade. It's like the Memphis deal in reverse. It sounds like they've worked out a little back door deal where Stackhouse will get bought out and re-signed in a month, but they're giving up $11 mil in expiring contracts, a fantastic young point, and 2 1st rounders for a 35 year old point who can't shoot. I absolutely can't believe they made this trade.

New Jersey made out like bandits. Not only do they replace Kidd, but they will now be $30 mil richer in the off season free agent market with 2 additional draft picks over the next few years. They'll still make the playoffs this year and with any luck they'll be able to turn their 2 1st rounders this year into 1 or 2 nice players to surround Harris, Krsitc, Williams, Carter, and Jefferson. What a deal for the Nets.

I may be in the minority, but I don't think it's a bad trade for the Mavericks.

Kidd is only signed though next season. I have no idea how much he has left in the tank, but he's been playing well while disgruntled and now he'll be playing where he wants to with some very nice weapons.

Cuban is playing to win now. He's done the exact thing Twins and Timberwolves GMs never do, he made the choice between win now and rebuild/ride the \"playoff\" wave. I give him credit for making up his mind. Developing Devin Harris will take years and I'm not completely sold on the kid. I think he'll be good, but not championship in the next two years good.

He made the commitment not to resign Nash when they couldn't get past the second round. Nash may have turned into an MVP, but the Mavs have been better without him.

On top of all that, you have the one owner who is both a fan and understands that his team isn't his best cash-generating asset. If this doesn't work, Cuban will blow it up or get the type of players that can be competitive, luxury tax or not. I give Cuban credit for committing to winning now.

It could work out well for both teams actually. Dallas had to do something. For whatever reason, having maybe the most talent didn't mean much, you've got to have the right mix. Kidd will help tremendously where he's needed the most - DEFENSE. Of course he's going to propel the offense with his wizard like skills but he is going to have a KG effect (to a lessor extent) on Dallas' defense. KG made Pierce and Allen dedicate themselves to both ends as Kidd will do to Dirk and Howard.

I may be wrong but I think Howard instantly becomes the next Shawn Marion. His numbers will increase substantially and he'll be putting up 20 points without having to work so hard.

NJ...Whatever, they will still suck. I could analyze them, but OldLogo handled it. They'll be better off.

PLEASE let it be our turn for a trade:angry:

Great analysis by everyone. Personally, I think I am in the camp that this trade helps both teams as well.

New Jersey: Yes, they make out like bandits, but not at the expense of the Mavericks. All the expiring contracts are like gold to NJ, but doesn't really do much for a team trying to \"win now\" like the Mavs. Devin Harris is good, but he'll never be anywhere close to Kidd. Not that it bothers NJ, they must be ecstatic just to get out from the $40 Million remaining on Kidd's deal. If Harris is healthy soon I think NJ still makes the playoffs this season. Not a great trade, but very good.

Dallas: Kidd solidifies their team and will make everyone better. This was a must do trade for a \"win now\" team... especially if they can bring back Stackhouse. All they gave up was basically cap relief and low first round picks, and Mark Cuban could care less about either of them. Good for him.


So, that's how it helps both teams without really hurting the other.

The one thing I don't like about Jason Kidd... and it's literally the only thing... the dude shoots 37% from the field. That's horrible. Isn't Telfair shooting slightly better than that? I mean, if Dirk and Josh Howard are going to be the top two scoring options, that'll work fine... but at least Harris could score. I'm not convinced Kidd will be able to.

Also, trading Diop is a big mistake. Who's going to guard Duncan now? The Mavs basically have no low post presence except MAYBE Dampier.

- TR

Losing Diop hurts. I guess the Mavs don't think much of Shaq being back in the conference. As for Kidd's d, Harris is one of the top 2 or 3 defensive points in the league. He's 10 years younger than Kidd and he scores more, shoots better, and...he's 10 years younger and about 1/4th the cost of Kidd.

I can't decide which deal is worse: Shaq to the Suns or Kidd to Dallas. At least the Eastern Conference is taking advantage of the West for a change. I still can't believe how bad the Shaq deal was but this...well, it's either a tie or a close second. The Nets just got younger, quicker, better shooting, more money to spend in free agency, more draft picks, and another center for an aging point who can't shoot and who hasn't even run New Jersey's offense effectively this year.

I guess I still think the Shaq deal is the worst of the bunch because the Suns had the best record in the West and everybody seems to forget that they were a piss-poor suspension and (maybe) a few Tim Donaghy calls away from beating the Spurs in the Western Conference Finals.

Oh well.

sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3244818

Devean George just blocked it. Given the number of guys in the trade I have trouble believing there is anyone left on the Mav's roster to take George's spot in the trade.

If I'm a Mav's fan I don't think I'd be heartbroken either way... if I'm a Nets fan I'd be slamming my head in the door right now.

pants wrote:

Hahahahaha wow! That really sucks for the Nets. Sooooo close, yet so far.

Again, I'm chipping in too late. Maybe because of the time-difference, maybe because of the fact that I was so busy dissecting the German society.

You know what the problem of this forum is ? Soooo many highly educated basketball minds...and especially higher educated than me. Makes it really difficult for some German dude who gets all hins B-Ball knowledge from the internet to contribute something that hasn't been already said...

Since everything is already said on this, I just want to make known that I would love to get Kidd on the Mavs...of whom I am not that much of big fan as one might think, considering all the stuff I have said about \"the average German, but after all, I'm really far from being average at all...nontheless, I am happy for Dallas that George balked at this trade. Sure Kidd still can contribute blahblah, but at this price? Thanks, but no thanks. Considering how low the prices for an ounce of \"aging, disgruntled superstar\" havw fallen these days, I don't care if this trade was fair by objetive standarts or not. You just don't pay that much nowadays. It would have left Dallas almost without a team at MIDSEASON, which makes this a really different case than what Boston did to aqquire KG. And I highly doubt that this would have put Dallas reasonably more into contention as they are now. Kidd might have one of the highest B-Ball IQ's on this planet, but the Mavs are a team that is used playing together for quite some time now. Giving up this advantage as well as all the players, especially your young PG and draft picks...thanks, but no thanks.

Just three other thoughts:

1. Why do any team officials keep saying \"no, we're not involved in trade talk. We're satisfied with out team\"? No one, not the fans, not the players believe(s) them anyways since they will always be caught lying again and again.

2. And since this talk is - I believe - at least meant to keep the players calm and to avoid turmoil in the locker room...guess how all these guys the Mavs were willing to deal feel right now. It's always nice to get a vote of confidence from your boss, isn't it?

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And poor Devean George? I feel sorry for him. Nobody pointed the finger on KG when he (reportedly) intially balked at being dealt to Boston. And who would have accused Kobe of ruining his franchises title hopes for exercising his \"no trade clause\" last summer, when talk was he might be dealt? But I read George was already taunted by the Dallas fand for blocking the Kidd deal and that will always be attached to him, I guess. No matter if he scored 20 and 8 for the rest of the season (what he apparently won't do)...but maybe he would look better if he had not suggested to be traded a few weeks earlier himself? But I fell sorry, nonetheless. It's his right to exercise his veto to save his \"early bird rights\" and so be it. It's in his real own interest to do so...not that he has \"a family to feed\" or anything like that .

My quick 2 cents:

I like this move for New Jersey a lot. On the Dallas side, however, this move seems a bit desperate. I am usually one that thinks more in the present than the future, because wheather the future appears wonderful or bleak, that can always change, while the present is what it is, and it is the NOW, which is presently the most important time... Wow that was a sentence.

Basically, my point is that I think Dallas is hurting their future much more than they are helping their present, and even I (Mr. Present tense usually) can't deny that. You can't tell me that 2 years from now Jason Kidd is going to be more valuable than Devin Harris, and they will also be out 2 first round draft picks plus cap relief by then too.

Also, they are giving up Diop, who is a fairly valuble piece to their puzzle this year. Who is going to guard Duncan, Shaq, Bynum, Boozer, & YAO in the playoffs this year? The old, inconsistent, and often incompetent and prone to foul trouble E. Dampier?? The undersized and unexperienced Brandon Bass? The defensively soft and offensively minded Dirk Nowitski? I don't like it.

I think it mayyybe just barely helps the Mavs now, but really hurts them in the future.

BonK wrote:
I totally agree with your take on this...You know Dallas is in some bad shape anyway when people are saying losing Diop is a negative...

I am surprised they are giving up SO much for Kidd at this point in his career. I do agree with the \"Let's win now\" notion, but sometimes it costs TOO much...And in this case a big thumbs down to the Mavs on this one...

Another reason I'm suspect of this move for Dallas is that they would seem to be the 3rd wheel on the \"lets leverage the future to get a championship\" date. The Celtics and Suns are already down that road. You don't want to miss the window and be stuck still paying a washed up guy 20 million a year.

Obviously, it's going down now slightly different from the way it was initially planned after Devean George (self-centered) and Jerry Stackhouse (loquacious) have taken themselves out of the package, Cuban finally decided he was the most lavish person on this planet by also sign-and-trading the often mentioned Keith van Horn...

As Ian Thomsen of SI.com and Marc Stein of ESPN.com congruently report, the deal - which hasn't changed much - will look like this:

New Jersey gets:

Keith Van Horn
Trenton Hassell
Devin Harris
DeSagna Diop
Maurice Ager
2 first rounders
cash

Dallas gets:

Jason Kidd
Malik Allen

According to both writers, the deal will probably brought to NBA authorities on Monday...meaning TODAY, where it would be CLOSELY examined by league officials before approving it, given all the stuff that happened earlier...


On a personal note:
This is still stupid. Just hope NJ buy everyone except Harris out so the Mavs could resign them...especially Diop, or they will be TOAST in the Western Conference stacked with front court strength these days...

Did I say stupid? I meant crack-brained!

Your probably all know, but I just learned from ESPN.com's Marc Stein that Dallas will also aquire Antoine Wright from the Nets for an additional 2nd round pick in what is called \"a seperated transaction\", but is surely connected with the Kidd deal for some reason and not made becuase of a purpose of its own. So it basically stand like this:

New Jersey gets:

Keith Van Horn
Trenton Hassell
Devin Harris
DeSagna Diop
Maurice Ager
2 first rounders (2008 and 2010)
1 second rounder
3 mil $ cash

Dallas gets:

Jason Kidd
Malik Allen
Antoine Wright


Still dumb, dumb, dumb IMO.


If you like, check out Chris Mannix' take on the trade, who says that NJ receives equal value for Kidd.

And exactly that is a shame for Dallas!