Hmmm interesting. They should have just drafted Chris Paul when they had the chance:


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3249180

Hmm.. Bibby has always been a good player and guy.. The Hawks got a got a good deal.

Both sides did alright in this one. The Kings are going to clear a ton of cap space and they're going to get someone to go alongside of Martin. The Hawks suddenly became a team to be worried about. Bibby, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, and Al Horford. Hopefully Childress isn't hurt too bad...he could be the dangerous 6th man. This is one of those teams that could sneak into the playoffs and make someone like Detroit and/or Boston look old.

Speaking of good guys and good character...

...if he wasn't such a delightful fella, could you imagine LeBron getting REALLY pissed? Stuck with one of the worst supporting casts in the league and everywhere around him spectacular trades are happening since the last offseason...Allen, Garnett, Gasol, Shaq, Marion, Kidd (almost and still maybe), now Bibby whom the Cavs liked, as far as I know...

And what did his management do? Resign Sasha Pavlovic and Sideshow Bob... jackpot!

I guess he understands that with the way the payroll is now, they just don't have the assets to make a trade, but he also might think...who's fault is that???

Some of these NBA guys need to take a page out of the Tom Brady Handbook. Lebron could sign for $100,000 and still make it up on the backside with adverts and endorsements. He'd make even more from these sources if he won.

That being said, he's underpaid as it is and I doubt he'd go much lower. Larry Hughes is absolutely killing that team. $12 million for nothing.

Anywho, it will be interesting to see how far he can carry them. He'll be about 26-27 at the end of this deal and then...well, that will be interesting to see where he goes. I'd go to wherever Yao is and cash in with China.

Agreed. Compleetly agreed. Have always thought that way myself. But that could be said from every superstar...just to understand that, I have convinced myself that is has something to do with GUARANTEED money - you sign the contract, you have the money without needing to win or be popular or whatever becomes of your career...and on the other hand with some feeling of respect and value - if you are the best player on your team and better than so many other guy around the league, you want to know that your team values that...and value is paid with money, not with kind words these days...

I would really like to know what Danny Ferry is thinking theses days. Like I already hinted above, no matter how much he smiles and how often he says the right things, I do expect LeBron to become frustrated and if he looks around who's responsible for the fact that the Cavs are paying Larry Hughes 12 mil, Donyell Marshall 5,5 and Damon Jones 4...he might come across Danny Ferry's (who I originally meant in my first post if that was a little bit unclear ) name who's only responsibility these days is to keep LeBron happy so he won't bolt for another team once his contract is up in three years. But most of the bad contracts CLE has don't run out before two years and Hughes has also three years on his (although he might finally get some trade value as a huge expiring contract, which to some degree might also be true for the others). Nonetheless, that basically leaves Danny Ferry with ONE year to appease LeBron...without having any chance to get a good draft pick in earlier years. One year while LeBron slowly becomes sour on the one responsible for the mess his supporting cast is over the next two. I would LOVE to know what Danny Ferry thinks these days, if he sleeps well and what his plans and hopes are for this BIG summer coming up in two years when the CAVS wil finally can start doing something again...

I see why the Kings did this, but they really got nothing in return besides cap space. Shelden williams is nothing more than an average, undersized PF. Craig Smith is undersized, and better than Williams. Ratliff's contract is expiring, and we have a better 2nd round picks to give up.

That is bargain basement for Bibby.

Please twolves give up on foye being the PG of the future.

@ RoundhouseI guess you are implying that the Wolves' also had the tools to aquire Bibby? So he would be the kind of old guy who actually can ball as compared to Eric Snow ? Please don't take it personal, but compared to my proposal aquiring Snow for actually NOTHING I would really break down in tears if had wasted one of if not our biggest assets in Theo's contract on Bibby...

I will leave aside that I think Bibby is overrated as a scorer anyways, but he is just not the type of player the Wolves need. I'm the first one to claim that the Wolves need steady outside shooting to space the floor (assumed Bibby was able to provide this), but we need this primary from another position than PG. Would be nice if our future PG would also have this skill, but most of all we need a skilled and true floor general, a nifty passer with court vision and Mike Bibby just does not fit that bill. He again is one of those PGs that look for their own shot first and for other options second...not to an extend as other \"PGs\" like Allan Iverson or Gilbert Arenas do, but still to much to be a fit in the Wolves system with, for the future years, should rely on getting the ball to Al Jefferson in the low post first and see what's happening then. And for that we need a natural and pure PG who's forte is passing, not shooting. And Bibby - for a PG he is a rather bad passer, scoring mostly half as many TO as assists over the last seasons. And additionally, for most of his carreer, Bibby has highly benefitting from playing with other players who were highly skilled passers for their respective positions (e.g. Webber, Dibac, Brad Miller), helping to masquerade his shortcomings as a passer.

Maybe Bibby is a good player, maybe not. But he definitely would not have been the solution to the Wolves' PG problems. I would rather keep Bassy and see if we could get a shooting coach especially for him. But as we have often stated here...sadly there isn't put much emphasis on guard development in this franchise...
Might be, but I guess the price for superstars, especially on the downhill of their careers has dropped over the last year (leaving aside the Mavs' rediculous offer for Kidd) and I would argue that Bibby fits the superstar criteria at all. And it is a real lot of cap room they cleared for giving away an aging player that did not fit in their future pans which will feature establishing Kevin Marting as the face of the franchise and keeping Beno Udrih as their mainstay PG. Given that no one interested in Bibby would have been either able or willing to hand over a decent first rounder and SAC wanted to get Bibby of their books right now, I think they received not a good, but a decent package for him.word! WORD! WORD! You are singing my song...

I still don't see how you could not like Bibby coming to the Twolves for some spare parts and a box of cheerios. Say what you want about him not being a pure PG, but he is a point guard unlike Gilbert Arenas. He's not the greatest passer out there, but his passing skills are adequate. I think people forget easily now how good the Kings were for like 10 years it seemed, just always a half step behind the Lakers.

Yea he looks for his own shot 1st, but the twolves could really use his scoring. Just like McCants, I would love to ship him off somewhere, but where would we be without his scoring. OUr offense is so anemic, if it weren't for the Bulls self destruction we would be the worst offensive team in the league.

He's only like 29 or 30 yrs old but is contract is up after next year anyways. It's not like we'd be committed to him long term.

Well, as much as I have figured out so far, Bibby is one of those players who's skill levle is highly controversial. All can to some degree agree that he is \"somewhat not bad\", but if he is a \"good\" or even \"very good\" player is disputed. To some, he is a great scoring point guard, to others greatly overrated. So I guess it won't make much sense to discuss this in detail, since no consensus can be reached.

Therefore, I tried to find a solution by making a case he won't be a good fit with the Wolves, but obviously, that did not help .

But I will try again from a slightly different angle: Yes, Bibby is 30 now. And no matter how good his game is or was, one should be aware that it won't age well, like the ones of Nash and Billups since he lacks the superior passing skills to make up when his quickness begins to fade. And without the threat of driving, his outside shot will also be easier to defend.

That's why, just personally , would hate to see (said before) one of our biggest assets wasted on the chance to see a PG decline that does not even perfectly fit our system.

But much like your collective unwillingsness to spend a draft pick, even if compensated by cap relief on aquiring Eric Snow, so is this more of a \"gut feeling\" for me. I just don't like it.

Maybe others could also chip in with their take on the case to solve this \"deathlock of opinions\".

And yes, I know the Kings were a wonderful team and I remember cheering for them against the Lakers when NBA was still on German Free TV. But this was an excellently assembled team with a beautiful system that just clicked. I would have a hard time to say this was in any case Bibby's team or that Bibby had a special role in it. He was a piece that fitted. His shooting was needed and because everybody else was at least a decent passer, his playmaking skills were not. So I can't make the success of the highly adminred Kings from a few years ago into a case for \"Bibby to the Wolves\"

Very well said, and we could debate this forever, but he's already been traded so I suppose it's not worth it.

Theo is a huge asset to us, but the way to maximize his value is to trade him. If we pass by Thursday without trading him, he becomes just an expiring contract to us. The real value is how much the Cavs and Kings and Knicks of this world really want him. Yea we can keep him and gain his cap space, but why not trade him? The fact that you could trade a 34 yr old center who's barely played in the past 3 seasons for someone like Bibby (even if we debate his value) blows my mind. Why not do it?

I really think the twolves should get in on the Grizzlies and King's player auction/clearance sale that's going on. Or trade him somewhere else.

Funny thing that we are actually so close in many issues (like with Foye) ! Since I have been on this forum (ooooh no, he going to repeat himself again) I have been preaching that we sould trade as many of our expiring contracts - read: of players we don't want to resign - as we can before the trade deadline.

This is a rebuidling franchise without an established star player located in one of the least desirable cities for the comon NBA player who, for a reason impossible to understand by me, seem to like warmer climate (I am in Finnland these days by free will, I would dig Minnesota for sure). In any case, we have NOTHING that could attract a top notch free agent no matter how much money we have. I always use to say: Cap space alone does not get you good players, it makes you only overpay for mediocre ones.

But if the franchise will never improve via free agency, why letting those contracts expire? I understand that some money will be needed to resign players we...or better, the brass wants to keep, but that could not be everything (especially with the midleel exception in store).

So yes, yes! Theo's contract is desired by many teams looking to free cap space. Trade him for someone middle aged (so he could still be part of that teams future) with decent to good talent and the character NOT to pout ofer being traded to NBA Siberia!

But just in my opinion, Mike Bibby would have not been the one I was especting to get back in such a deal, that's all and strictly my personal opinion, because I would have liked someone with a little bit more perspective.

I'm in agreement that Bibby would be a fun guy to have if you could trade a bench player, a 2nd round pick and Ratliff. That'd sure be better than McHale just waiting for Ratliff's contract to run out without trading him.